Ormus - is there anything in it?

[Asolepius]

I am reading Laurence Gardner's book `The Magdalene Legacy' and he waxes lyrical over what he describes as ancient knowledge of a special state of matter called `ormus'. The net is full of crazy stuff about it, and I have been unable to find any objective information. What I want to know is, is there the slightest scientific evidence to support the claims? Googling just produces woo rubbish as far as I can see. As a biologist I am not familiar with sources in the physical sciences.

The odd thing about Gardner is the all his historical facts are heavily referenced, and seem very well supported, but nothing scientific is. For example he perpetuates several medical fallacies about crucifixion, and doesn't see the need to reference them.

 

[Cuddles]

To put it simply, the whole thing is nuttier than a fruitcake made entirely out of nuts.

As you say, none of the "scientific" claims are supported in any way. It's just a bunch of mostly nonsensical, and often self-evidently wrong, claims with no attempt to provide any evidence at all. It's a classic example of someone throwing out a bunch of real scientific words in the hopes that the whole thing will appear sciency enough to fool some people, with a load of alchemy and psychics thrown in just for the hell of it.

Perhaps the most obviously wrong claim is the abundance of this magical stuff:

these elements in their m-state may be as much as 10,000 times more abundant than their metallic counterparts

So there's 10,000 times as much copper in this magic state than there is regular copper, and yet somehow no-one noticed it until a farmer found it in the 1970s? Can anyone seriously believe something so obviously stupid? If that were the case, the magic stuff would be all we'd know about, and metallic copper would be a cutting edge discovery.

 

[Asolepius]

Thanks Cuddles. Obviously the whole idea seemed totally implausible to me, but quite often such crazes have as their basis at least some sort of kernel of fact, albeit grossly distorted. The alarm bells rang when magnetism was claimed to be able to negate gravity - a concept which would violate the conservation of energy.

I am rather put off Gardner's book now. I am looking for scholarly work on the origins of religion, especially Christianity, and so far have been disappointed. I read Barbara Theiring's `Jesus the Man', relied upon heavily by Gardner, but it makes too many speculative assumptions, as Gardner does. There is some good stuff in `The Magdalene Legacy', but you have to sift out the rubbish.

 

[Tiktaalik]

I'm sure you're aware of him, but Bart Ehrman's works are great. Some of his stuff concentrates on contradictions in the bible, but he also puts in a lot of history, where stuff came from originally, etc. "Misquoting Jesus" is a favorite of mine.

 

[Asolepius]

Thanks - I had heard of `Misquoting Jesus' but had forgotten about it. I'll look out for it.

 

[Ririon]

Didn't we have an ormus-guy here a few years ago? You can probably search the forum for it, but don't expect anything useful.

If you want a serious, non-debunking book about the major western religions, you can not go wrong with "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong. Pretty much the authorized biography of The Man Upstairs.

 

[jasonpatterson]

I was most impressed by the stupidity of superfluidity observed in any of the elements mentioned in the list. All but one are solid at room temperature...

 

[edona7]

Woo Wars

I was looking up this ORMUS stuff during my lunch hour, since it supposedly has healing powers. I like to be at least somewhat familiar with woo-health and healing, since I'm liable to find a patient somewhere who subscribes to the notion.

I found on this site
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/monoatomicgoldthinktwice15aug05.shtml
even more - their contention is that ORMUS is an Illuminati conspiracy to create worldwide mind slaves

Apparently, it interferes with our 4th dimensional DNA templates, thus impairing out ability to ever attain enlightenment. This stuff would be hilarious if they weren't so serious about it.

 

[Soapy Sam]

Can't help thinking all these world domination schemes must interfere with each other fairly often.

I do however have a magnet capable of negating gravity. At least the paper clip on the bottom has not fallen off now I've picked it up.

 

[Dancing David]

I am reading Laurence Gardner's book `The Magdalene Legacy' and he waxes lyrical over what he describes as ancient knowledge of a special state of matter called `ormus'. The net is full of crazy stuff about it, and I have been unable to find any objective information. What I want to know is, is there the slightest scientific evidence to support the claims? Googling just produces woo rubbish as far as I can see. As a biologist I am not familiar with sources in the physical sciences.

The odd thing about Gardner is the all his historical facts are heavily referenced, and seem very well supported, but nothing scientific is. For example he perpetuates several medical fallacies about crucifixion, and doesn't see the need to reference them.

Hooey!

As you use chemistry to move a metal toward the ORMUS/BEC state, the chemical reactions necessary to do this moving become weaker and weaker since fewer and fewer of the valence electrons are available to participate in the chemical reactions. Eventually there are no electron handles that can be used to manipulate these materials. Fortunately these materials have other properties which can be used to manipulate them.

 

[Almo]

So there's 10,000 times as much copper in this magic state than there is regular copper, and yet somehow no-one noticed it until a farmer found it in the 1970s? Can anyone seriously believe something so obviously stupid?

Yes.