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Organic Certified Homeopathy

Armitage72

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I've been lurking for a while, but I was finally inspired to register and post...

I handle regulatory compliance for products at a chemical company in Western New York State. We recently got our first product certified by the Organic Material Review Institute (OMRI), which got me on the mailing list for their quarterly newletter.

The Winter 2012 edition had an interesting, i.e. depressing, Q&A column. I can't post a link to it, since I'm new, but a pdf can currently be found with a Google search for "OMRI Materials Review newsletter"

Can homeopathic remedies be used to treat organic livestock?

Homeopathy (from the Greek bases homo meaning “same” and path meaning “to feel” or “to suffer”) is based on the “law of similars”, first stated by German physician Samuel Hahnemann. The basic principle is that a suite of symptoms similar to those brought on by a particular substance can be treated by administering minute doses of that substance. So, for example, if the symptoms from which an individual is suffering are the same as those one would suffer from arsenic poisoning, then the patient would be treated with a remedy prepared from arsenic. In traditional medicine, this is analogous to the way that some allergies are treated, and to the administration of some vaccines.
Homeopathic remedies are prepared by extracting the active substance in water or alcohol and diluting the tincture, followed by the process of succussion (shaking with hard strikes against an elastic surface). These dilution and succussion processes are repeated many times until the desired potency is reached. Common dilutions leave the original material at one part per million to one part per nonillion (that’s a 1 followed by 30 zeroes!). Due to the dilution of these materials, the intended substance is very often immeasurable by most tests that can be performed in a laboratory.
OMRI reviews homeopathic remedies for livestock to the same standards as any other livestock health care product: all active ingredients must be, listed as allowed at §205.603 if synthetic, and nonsynthetic ingredients are allowed unless they appear at §205.604. Prohibited synthetics used as active ingredients in homeopathic remedies are not allowed, regardless of how diluted the materials may be. Remedies such as strychninum (produced from strychnine) or glonoinum (produced from nitroglycerine) would not be permitted in an OMRI review, whereas remedies such as belladonna or aconite (produced from Acontum napellus) may be allowed.


"analogous to the way that some allergies are treated, and to the administration of some vaccines."
Yeah, and sprinkling yourself with pixie dust and thinking happy thoughts is analogous to boarding an airplane.

"the intended substance is very often immeasurable by most tests that can be performed in a laboratory."
In other words, it's there but science isn't good enough to detect it. Getting into Sagan's Dragon territory there.

What they're actually saying is "We don't care if your overpriced tap water actually works, as long as the ingredients you pretend it contains are on our approved list...and you pay our annual certification fee."

It actually reminds me of when I worked for the Bureau of Pesticide Management at the NY Dept. of Environmental Conservation and queried the EPA about a capsaicin-based pigeon repellant gel that came across my desk. They responded that the manufacturer had submitted efficacy studies that supported registration, despite the fact that birds' nerve receptors are insensitive to capsaicin. In all likelihood, the "efficacy" was because the pigeons didn't like stepping in the sticky gel, but claiming chemical action from a "natural ingredient" allowed them to charge their customers more for it.
 
I've been lurking for a while, but I was finally inspired to register and post...

Nice first post Armitage, welcome to JREF :)

The Winter 2012 edition had an interesting, i.e. depressing, Q&A column. I can't post a link to it, since I'm new, but a pdf can currently be found with a Google search for "OMRI Materials Review newsletter"...

All the usual homeopathic lies in the section you quote - pretending it's like vaccination and allergy desensetisation then slithering around the awkward "but it's just water" point by saying that the base ingredients are "undetectible". There must be a homeopathic dictionary somewhere (presumably very small) which gives the definition of "undetectible" as "non-existent".

Unfortunately organic types are just of the exact mindset to fall for homeopathic guff - they lap it up in the UK too.

It actually reminds me of when I worked for the Bureau of Pesticide Management at the NY Dept. of Environmental Conservation and queried the EPA about a capsaicin-based pigeon repellant gel that came across my desk. They responded that the manufacturer had submitted efficacy studies that supported registration, despite the fact that birds' nerve receptors are insensitive to capsaicin. In all likelihood, the "efficacy" was because the pigeons didn't like stepping in the sticky gel, but claiming chemical action from a "natural ingredient" allowed them to charge their customers more for it.
Everything has to have a sciency sounding twist to it these days. People don't seem to be able to complain about microwave transmission masts because they're hideous, instead they have to make up idiotic pseudoscience about EM fog and mobile phones causing cancer :mad:

Yuri
 

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