Only one conspiracy theory results in jail time

[Saggy]

Ernst Zundel, Europe's most famous political Prisoner of Conscience, has been released from Mannheim Prison this morning, March 1st. Here he is with one of his defense attorneys, Dr. Herbert Schaller of Austria, both of them smiling broadly...

http://www.zundelsite.org/images/img635.jpg

 

[Sledge]

Never mind, I'm sure he'll say something stupid to get himself imprisoned again soon.

 

[TSR]

Ernst Zundel, Europe's most famous political Prisoner of Conscience, has been released from Mannheim Prison this morning, March 1st.

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Most famous? Funny, he doesn't seem to listed here

And before you start whining about bias, Adolf Hitler is listed in their collection of political prisoners
.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Only one conspiracy theory results in jail time

...and?

Oh, wait. I know the answer to this one. Umm... umm... It means "they're on to something", right?

 

[zaphod2016]

As a Jew, who has no doubt whatsoever regarding the Holocaust, I find this level of tyranny archaic and inexcusable.

 

[timhau]

As a Jew, who has no doubt whatsoever regarding the Holocaust, I find this level of tyranny archaic and inexcusable.

Yeah, making idiocy a crime doesn't really fit into my idea of a free society either, no matter how repulsive the idiots in question are. However, to my knowledge the holocaust denial laws we're talking about were pretty much dictated by the Allies after WW2. Now, when the reality and extent of Nazi crimes is well known to everyone who isn't a part of the dim-witted fringe, it will be hard to find a politician who wants to be remembered as the person who legalized holocaust denial in Germany or Austria.

 

[Saggy]

As a Jew, who has no doubt whatsoever regarding the Holocaust

You have been conditioned since birth to believe the Holohoax. Of course you have no doubt. No one who hasn't studied the matter has any doubt. And, it really doesn't take much study to discover that the thing is a complete hoax as it is crude and obvious once the blinders are lifted. See

http://www.holohoax101.com

As a Jew, I find this level of tyranny archaic and inexcusable.

Well, have a talk with your rabbi. Contact the ADL. Do something about it. Do you know the story of David Cole, the only Jewish revisionist I'm aware of? See the Auschwitz video he created, it's probably the best intro to the subject there is !, at

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

The aftermath of the video is extraordinary, see it at

http://www.newp.org/holohoax103/

 

[Uzzy]

I too have problems with making idiocy a crime, but given that Holocaust Denial is just a modern form of anti-Semitism, and an attempt to rehabilitate National Socialism, it's a bit more complex. I can totally understand why some nations, like Germany, would ban it.

 

[timhau]

I too have problems with making idiocy a crime, but given that Holocaust Denial is just a modern form of anti-Semitism, and an attempt to rehabilitate National Socialism, it's a bit more complex. I can totally understand why some nations, like Germany, would ban it.

I can certainly understand it too, but I still can't quite bring myself to accept it. Maybe there's an idealistic streak buried somewhere deep under my ruggedly handsome and somewhat cynical surface, but I do think that in a free society, the proper way to deal with kooks is to point and laugh at them, not to imprison them.

Edit: That is, not to imprison them for mere kookery. Illegal actions resulting from kookdom are fair game, of course.

 

[RHolmes]

I think you'll find that the Freeman-on-the-Land CT often results in jail time. Albeit for rather different reasons.

I too deplore laws that imprison people for spouting sh**. Unless it's sh** that incites violence, spouters should be allowed to embarrass themselves unimpeded.

 

[cwalner]

Only one conspiracy theory results in jail time

Bzzt! Wrong. Check out FOTL

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Well, have a talk with your rabbi. Contact the ADL. Do something about it.

something tells me his rabbi and the ADL have little control over german law

 

[timhau]

something tells me his rabbi and the ADL have little control over german law

Ha! They're jews. They control everything. German laws are a subset of everything.

 

[VonKleist]

Well, have a talk with your rabbi. Contact the ADL. Do something about it. Do you know the story of David Cole, the only Jewish revisionist I'm aware of? See the Auschwitz video he created, it's probably the best intro to the subject there is !, at

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

The aftermath of the video is extraordinary, see it at

http://www.newp.org/holohoax103/

So you would agree with David Cole in what he says here?

I would like to state for the record that there is no
question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's
Jews during World War Two, the Nazis employed gas chambers
in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps
in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in
gas chambers which employed such poison gasses as Zyklon B
and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the
gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is
overwhelming and unmistakable.

The Nazis intended to kill all the Jews of Europe, and the
final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million.
This atrocity, unique in its scope and breadth, must never
be forgotten.

 

[Chaos]

I too have problems with making idiocy a crime, but given that Holocaust Denial is just a modern form of anti-Semitism, and an attempt to rehabilitate National Socialism, it's a bit more complex. I can totally understand why some nations, like Germany, would ban it.

There´s also that you cannot deny the Holocaust without accusing an awful lot of innocent of an awful lot of crimes... you know, all those "hoaxers" who "dishonestly" accused "innocent" Nazis of "imagined" crimes, all those Jews who "stole" Israel based on "fraudulent" accusation of a "Holohoax", and so on and so forth.

Holocaust Denial is slander... or libel, as the case may be. There´s nothing problematic with banning it.

 

[sadhatter]

Maybe if the heroic Nazi hadn't gone somewhere where it was illegal and did it he wouldn't be in jail.

He could set up his sites, and do anything else he wanted from the privacy of his own country. But he chooses to poke and prod lawmakers and he gets slapped for it.

To be honest i don't really like that i can't get a Skrewdriver c.d. at a store in Canada. But if it pisses off people like zundel, i can download.

It is a slippery slope, but that is why we have brains , once the first person with a legitimate idea gets harmed , i will be the first person on the picket line. But if it is just going to effect attention whore, whining nazi's like Zundel, at least one crappy law is working for the good guys and not against them.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Do you know the story of David Cole, the only Jewish revisionist I'm aware of?

I do.

He recanted, apologized profusely and abandoned Holocaust Denial.

EDIT: Gareth beat me to it. The point being, however, that Saggy himself either doesn't know the story of David Cole or he is deliberately leaving out the parts he doesn't like.

 

[LightinDarkness]

You have been conditioned since birth to believe the Holohoax. Of course you have no doubt. No one who hasn't studied the matter has any doubt. And, it really doesn't take much study to discover that the thing is a complete hoax as it is crude and obvious once the blinders are lifted. See

http://www.holohoax101.com

That people can be this ignorant and believe Holocaust Deniers, even after all the evidence, is simply amazing. It is a true testament to human stupidity.

 

[Saggy]

That people can be this ignorant and believe Holocaust Deniers, even after all the evidence, is simply amazing. It is a true testament to human stupidity.

And I'm amazed that anyone can believe there is any evidence, at least not after reading the thread discussing Robert Jan Van Pelt's admission that there is no physical evidence for 99% of the holohoax. It's a true testament to human stupidity.

Let me make it clear - there IS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

No bodies. No gas chambers. No gas vans. No documents. No photographs. Nada.

Only testimony. Here's a sample from the paragon of holohoax eyewitnesses, Elie Wiesel, and a Nobel winner to boot ....

"Babies were thrown into the air and the machine gunners used them as targets."

All holohoax testimony,like the above,is pure crap.

 

[Uzzy]

Saggy is, of course, wrong on that point. As he's been wrong in every previous 91 posts of his.