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Observing an electron.

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Is it true that if there is two slits in a "wall" and if you were to have something behind it to capture what goes through the slits and you fire electrons at it, it will create a wave like interference pattern of many lines on the capturing wall because a single electron would go through both slits at once. But if the electron is observed close up at one of the slits to see which slit the electron goes through it acts like matter creating a pattern with 2 lines on the wall that is capturing the electrons instead of an interference pattern of many lines,which would mean the very act of observing the electron changes the outcome of the pattern on the wall?
 
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Why? does the observing unit change the atmosphere in which the electron is passing through?

If the observing unit was a distance away but magnified to see the single slit as if it were at the same distance how far would the observing unit have to be to create the interferance pattern? Or would there be no change?
 
There's a clear easily followed explanation in this book by Brian Greene:

The Fabric of the Cosmos
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/037...010230?ie=UTF8

It's also available in audiobook format - which is the one I have. Good listening when you're tired of music on that long commute. (In fact, I listened through the whole book over a couple of days.)

He also discusses - at length - the spinning bucket thought experiment, which was new to me. And one heckuva question, even if it's... what? Centuries old?
 
I love this experiment....it's up there with the atomic clocks on planes one :)

A remarkable refinement of the double-slit experiment consists of putting a detector at each of the two slits, to determine which slit the photon passes through on its way to the screen (If the photon or electron passes through only one slit - which it must do, as, by definition, a photon or an electron is a quantum, or "packet" of energy which cannot be subdivided - then logically it cannot interfere with itself and produce an interference pattern). When the experiment is arranged in this way, the fringes disappear.

and a possible conclusion

The Copenhagen interpretation posits the existence of probability waves which describe the likelihood of finding the particle at a given location. Until the particle is detected at any location along this probability wave, it effectively exists at every point. Thus, when the particle could be passing through either of the two slits, it will actually pass through both, and so an interference pattern results. But if the particle is detected at one of the two slits, then it can no longer be passing through both - it must exist at one or the other, and so no interference pattern appears.
 
Why? does the observing unit change the atmosphere in which the electron is passing through?

If the observing unit was a distance away but magnified to see the single slit as if it were at the same distance how far would the observing unit have to be to create the interferance pattern? Or would there be no change?

The most lucid explanation of this experiment is in the first chapter of the third volume of Feynman's Lectures on Physics. I recommend anyone to pick it up in their local library. It doesn't require any physics background to follow. The following is a summary of this chapter.

Let us start by this two observations:
  • If the electrons are not seen when passing through the slits, we get an interference pattern, such as would be made by light.
  • If the electrons are seen, we don't get interference. This is qualitatively the same result as the one we would get doing the experiment with bullets, balls or some other macroscopic object

Why is this so? The observing unit is some kind of light source. When the electron passes through the slit, it scatters light and we see a flash. Ceritus asks how far the light source would have to be to create interference. And it is a good question. Let us phrase it in a slightly different way: we will use an increasingly dimmer light source and see what happens. Assume also that each time an electron passes through the slits and hits the target, we hear a 'click'.

Our intuition tells us that a very dim light source would eventually have a negligible effect. But we are talking QM here. The flashes are always the same size, no matter what the intensity of the light source! But, if the latter is very weak, sometimes we will hear a click but see no flash. The explanation is that light comes in photons and the detection consists on an electron colliding with one photon, so it is always the same. If the light has a low intensity, it will have fewer photons and sometimes we won't see a collision. The result is that those electrons that have been seen do not interfere with one another, while those that have passed undetected form an interference pattern.[1]

The reason why in one situation we see interference and in the other we don't is the uncertainty principle. It is impossible to use a system that will observe the electrons and at the same time preserve the inference. I will now give a qualitative explanation.

The precise form of the uncertainty relations for Q and P (position and momentum) is

[latex]\footnotesize \Delta P \cdot \Delta Q \geq \frac{\hslash}{2}[/latex]

This is a postulate of quantum mechanics.[2]

We will use a modified version of our experiment. Now the plate with the slits is mounted on rollers. If the detector is situated equidistant to the two slits, an electron passing through the upper (lower) slit will have to be deflected downwards (upwards) to reach the detector. The plate with the slits will get an equal momentum in the opposite direction. For any position of the detector, the recoil of the plate from an electron passing through each slit will be different. We can now determine which slit the electron passed without disturbing them at all! But wait: we haven't really cheated the uncertainty principle. To know the momentum of the plate we must measure it. Measuring it means that we no longer now with complete precision the position of the plate. So we don't know the exact location of the holes. So the centre of the pattern will be different for each electron. The fringes are blurred. What's more, if we measure the momentum of the plate with enough precision to determine the slit, the pattern will be shifted just enough for a maximum of the original pattern to coincide with a minimum of the new one. This effectively destroys any hope to see interference.

For a semiquantitaive example of the uncertainty relations, we will consider a horizontal plane wave of particles. Classically, this just means a lot of particles with horizontal mometum px = p0 and vertical momentum py = 0. We don't know the vertical position of the particles. If we set a hole of diameter B we can determine the position of the particle with uncertainty ±B. So Delta y ~ B and Delta py = 0 (classically), because the momentum is horizontal. But in QM, by determining the vertical position we have destroyed our knowledge of the vertical momentum. Classically, when light goes throughn a small aperture (of the order of the wavelength), it experiments diffraction, the wave is spread and no longer plane. In QM, this happens with particles too, because each particle has an associated wavelength via λ = h/p. If the particle experiments diffraction, there is a chance it will we deflected in a different direction, with a nonzero vertical component.

Let Δθ be the angular spread. Then Δ py = p0 Δθ. To estimate Δθ we notice that the first mininum occurs at an angle Δθ such that the waves from one edge have travelled one more wavelength than the waves from the opposing edge.[3] So Δθ = λ/B and Δ py = p0 λ / B. A small B means good measurement of y and bad knowledge of its momentum. In fact, we have

Δpy = p0 λ / B
Δy = B

So Δpy Δy = p0 λ. But p λ = h:

ΔpyΔy = h.

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[1] You can propose using longer wavelengths, with 'weaker' photons. But if the wavelength is bigger than the distance between the slits, it won't let us decide where has the electron been.
[2] Not exactly. The actual postulate is [Q,P] = i hbar. We also now (from a different postulate) that (Delta A) (Delta B) >= -i/2 [A,B], for any observables A,B.
[3] This is classical optics. Destructive interference (minimum) occurs when the difference of travelled paths is equal to an odd number of wavelengths.
 
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To summarize what Yllanes said, the only way to observe something in this universe s to reach out and touch it1. When you touch something, you influence it, and disrupt its quantum probability waveform, and that change is impossible to predict exactly (though it can be predicted statistically). Thus, once you detect one electron, it is no longer identical to the others. Without having all2 the electrons at each slit being identical to each other, you cannot have an interference pattern.

1 Possibly excepting gravitational influence, which has not yet been shown to either require an intermediary particle or not.
2 Or at least many
 
To summarize what Yllanes said, the only way to observe something in this universe s to reach out and touch it1. When you touch something, you influence it, and disrupt its quantum probability waveform, and that change is impossible to predict exactly (though it can be predicted statistically).

Then how to explain the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser

They found that the interference pattern disappears when which-path information is obtained, even if this information was obtained without directly observing the original photon. Even more surprising was that, if you somehow "erase" the which-path information, the interference pattern reappears! And, perhaps most provocative of all, you can delay the "choice" to "erase" or "observe" the which-path information and still restore the interference pattern, even after the original photon has been "observed" at the primary detector!
 
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I've always reconcilled the odd behaviour by considering it from the point of view of the photon.

For a photon, time stands still. It takes 0 time, from the photon's point of view for it to travel from emitter to receiver electrons. The photon exists instantaneously from the emitter to receiver as a standing wave, over the entire length of it's journey.

Whatever changes we make to the path that it follows does nothing to change the fact that the photon 'sees' all those changes occuring in zero time.

Hence, the photon always takes the path that represents the 'sum of all influences' over the course of it's flight. To us it seems like the photon is behaving out of sync with our perception of the temporal seperation of the events affecting it's flight.

But to the photon, there is no temporal seperation of the events impacting it's flight. It incorporates all of them instantaneously, in a sort-of out of time manor.
 
Then how to explain the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser

They found that the interference pattern disappears when which-path information is obtained, even if this information was obtained without directly observing the original photon. Even more surprising was that, if you somehow "erase" the which-path information, the interference pattern reappears! And, perhaps most provocative of all, you can delay the "choice" to "erase" or "observe" the which-path information and still restore the interference pattern, even after the original photon has been "observed" at the primary detector!

Hold on a second, could you use this to send messages into the past? If you could delay whether or not to erase/observe a photon for an hour but had your partner check the interference pattern as they appeared... could he know your choices before you made them?
 
Then how to explain the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser

They found that the interference pattern disappears when which-path information is obtained, even if this information was obtained without directly observing the original photon. Even more surprising was that, if you somehow "erase" the which-path information, the interference pattern reappears! And, perhaps most provocative of all, you can delay the "choice" to "erase" or "observe" the which-path information and still restore the interference pattern, even after the original photon has been "observed" at the primary detector!

That's actually a correlation after the experiment that 'finds' interference. In that experiment you don't have a normal Young's double slit experiment, because the photons are interfered with before they pass through the slits. This creates two different waves, each with normal interference, that add together so that they cancel each others 'waviness', creating a lump shape.

When you remove half the photons, though, you don't evenly eliminate half at each point along the screen. Photons are proportional to the square of the amplitude, so when half are eliminated the different waves lose different proportions. This reintroduces the 'waviness', making it look similar to Young's experiment, but really the waves were interacting before and after.
 
Y'all are making this so complicated! All that's needed is a force of United Nations Electron Observers and a supply of indelible ink to dab on the backs of the votrons' paws when they come out of the electromagnetic pole-ing stations.

P.S.: Oy, do I need eyeglasses! =^_^=
 

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