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Ed Obama's speech to the Muslim world

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After watching his address to the Muslim world, I really start to think he's the chosen one. :D ...

Islam, Terrorism, Human Rights, History, US Torture, Democracy, Iran, Israel, Palestine, Iraq etc - it was all in there - even citing the Quran to underline his points. Now while Cheney, Limbaugh and AIPAC back home might be deeply offended by the speech, what were your impressions?

Whole speech:

CNN: Obama reaches out to Muslims | Transcript

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While I get the pun, being in a public area I've had to edit the title of this thread.
 
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Cleon said:
Nonsense. Oliver was a Ronulan, worlds apart from Obama.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Oliver went from a Ron Paul avatar to an Obama avatar. Confusing, that.
 
Obama delivered it well, but nothing new in the speech. It might have a lot of PR value, but it's not much in the way of substantive new proposols.
 
dudalb said:
Obama delivered it well, but nothing new in the speech. It might have a lot of PR value, but it's not much in the way of substantive new proposols.
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Nothing new? You're kidding me - or you never actually listened to recent US Presidents talking about the same issues Obama addressed. Pretty much all of it was new.
 
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but good on him for this.

I bet the Zionist Movement is boiling up a bit with a few throbbing neck bloodvessels over his call for the settlements to stop and his recognition that the like of the Palestinians under the [Aparthied] Occupation is intolerable.
 
Oliver said:
Nothing new? You're kidding me - or you never actually listened to recent US Presidents talking about the same issues Obama addressed. Pretty much all of it was new.
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The whole "We are not at war with Islam, it is a religion of peace" has been said by Bush many times.
 
what where your impressions?
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WOW
once again an amazing speech from Obama.
im not a Obama fan and dislike his huge money borrowing, but i love his foreign politics and especially the speeches.
I love the new image of the USA.
 
I only heard the last half, but it was easily one of the most impressive speeches I have ever heard. Imagine that: asking Israelis and Palestinians to grow up, realize that neither is going away and live up to their responsibilities of past peace agreements, telling the world that countries where women can freely choose their own path are actually prosperous, that America will now strive to live up to their ideals.

Reading a transcript doesn't do his speech justice (and neither does my summation.)

Michael
 
I didn't really agree with him. It was a very good, fresh speech, and I liked that he mentioned that America doesn't wish to occupy countries, nor is America an Empire (having been established in defiance of an empire), but the religion of the Middle East is a huge problem in the struggle against terrorism. To some extent, the West is in a fight against Islam, even if it is a distorted view of the Quran and the Hadith.

The reason these terrorists are so dangerous is because of religion. They carry out their acts in the name of the creator of the universe, whose laws take dominance over any man-made laws or pleas for mercy. That's why they spray acid into the faces of schoolgirls and stone women to death. You fight those people, you fight their motive too. Their motive is religion.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
I didn't really agree with him. It was a very good, fresh speech, and I liked that he mentioned that America doesn't wish to occupy countries, nor is America an Empire (having been established in defiance of an empire), but the religion of the Middle East is a huge problem in the struggle against terrorism. To some extent, the West is in a fight against Islam, even if it is a distorted view of the Quran and the Hadith.

The reason these terrorists are so dangerous is because of religion. They carry out their acts in the name of the creator of the universe, whose laws take dominance over any man-made laws or pleas for mercy. That's why they spray acid into the faces of schoolgirls and stone women to death. You fight those people, you fight their motive too. Their motive is religion.
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Every single moslem i know and talk about it does not see Terrorists as moslems, they clearly see it as abusing the religion. even when those terrorists claim to do it in the name of allah or whoever.
so he was right, we are not at war with Islam. not the islam the majority of moslems belives in, but with groups of people that have a disorted version of islam to justify their terrorism.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
Every single moslem i know and talk about it does not see Terrorists as moslems, they clearly see it as abusing the religion. even when those terrorists claim to do it in the name of allah or whoever.
so he was right, we are not at war with Islam. not the islam the majority of moslems belives in, but with groups of people that have a disorted version of islam to justify their terrorism.
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And that is exactly George W. Bush's speech in 2005:

"This form of radicalism exploits Islam to serve a violent, political vision: the establishment, by terrorism and subversion and insurgency, of a totalitarian empire that denies all political and religious freedom"

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"Many Muslim scholars have already publicly condemned terrorism” but called on other Muslim leaders to follow suit, saying, “The time has come for all responsible Islamic leaders to join in denouncing an ideology that exploits Islam for political ends and defiles a noble faith.”
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http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/wm778.cfm
 
The bad:

False moral equivalence and at least one strawman, the latter of which is an Obama specialty.

False moral equivalence: The Iranian revolution was bad, but so was the 1953 overthrow of Mossadeq. Missing is the fact that the mullahs had no use for Mossadeq either.

False moral equivalence: The Holocaust was bad. So is the Israeli "occupation."

Strawman: "America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam." Okay. Who said it was? George Bush? Well, no:
George W. Bush said:
I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.
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Obama somehow, remarkably, managed to avoid using the word "terrorism."

The good:

He took on and harshly repudiated the 9/11 truthers and Holocaust deniers.

Declared that he would “relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security . . . . And it is my first duty as president to protect the American people.”

A lot of the criticisms are, I think mitigated by the fact that this was a diplomatic speech, not a campaign one. As such, he had to gloss over a lot of inconvenient truths. The MSM, of course, is falling all over itself about what a wonderful speech it is, even wonderfuller than his speech on race relations in America, which, we all remember, was the wonderfullest speech since November, 1863.

How wonderful it really was will, I think, depend on whether or not it changes anything significant in the Muslim world.
 
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