Obama wiretapped by NSA since 2004

[Childlike Empress]

Says NSA whistleblower Russell Tice^WP in a new interview with Boilingfrogspost, "getting everything off his chest" in the wake of the Snowden revelations.

He also mentions a long list of bipartisan political players who have been early targets of the program, including f.e. Feinstein, Clinton, McCain - obviously making them vulnerable to blackmail. Asked if Alexander might be the most powerful man on Earth, he says that there's some "vicious" internal guy (he names) who is in charge of the clearances who might be a runner-up.

As to the current state of affairs, he says his sources remaining inside the NSA tell him that by now every communication with full content is saved in bulk at the new mega data center in Utah which is already in part operational.

82min audio interview (33MB) here.

 

[Childlike Empress]

 

[carlitos]

in a new interview with Boilingfrogspost,

 

[Childlike Empress]

You find it funny that a member of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition^WP uses the outlet of the founder and head of this organization to .. well ... blow the whistle on National Security issues?

Not really, carlitos, just trolling, are we?

 

[rcfieldz]

Tapped

Well we all know how whipped and wimpy he is without having it recorded. The U.S. goes from "Shock and Awe" to Whipped and Wimpy...
The BIG question is who will be elected next and what will those first 4 years of that presidency be like.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I think you're missing the point by a mile. Here's a 220 seconds snippet of the interview someone uploaded to youtube. It contains the part where he names Obama and gives an overview of the scale of the problem. He's talking about 2004 when he was working for the NSA.

 

[carlitos]

LOL, "my specialty is outer space."

If "they" went after then-Senator Obama, "they" did a piss poor job, because he's now the President of the United States?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Tice gave an hour long follow-up interview with little redundancy today. This one is more about his original whistleblower activities in 2005, when he and a group of people some of them still working at the NSA tried to put an end to the abuses "legalized" by the Patriot Act. Quite hilarious when he describes how he tried to leak information to New York Times journalists he knew were targeted by the program but didn't even grasp sitting "alone" with him in a restaurant surrounded by agents, or how the NSA let him know that everything he was telling Congress was finding its way on a direct channel back to them, and would be used against him.

Back then it was about targeting of specific people, like Obama, and that means telling the machines to target them, because in 2004 they had to be taught where to focus, because there wasn't the technical capability we have today which enables them to just target everyone, inside and outside the US.

This means that in a generation from now, a "wannabe Senator from Illinois" would have his whole life's communication history recorded and when he raises his head with a remarkable speech, some shady unelected and unaccountable people behind the scenes will be able to go back to that whole life and decide if this person is "fit for the job", a bit devious but has enough skeletons in the closet to be tolerated (and blackmailed if necessary), or has to be opposed as troublemaker from the beginning. Which of course would be the end of any "freedom and democracy" stuff, for the long foreseeable future. Welcome Totalitarianism.

That guy Tice is no Hippie, actually he seems to have enjoyed his "out of space" Cyberwar stuff as long as it targeted foreign "evildoers" pointed out to him. But targeting Yankistanis just was too much for him, he put his life on the line to stop it.

And now he applauds Snowden but sees how easily the attention of the willfully clueless masses gets distracted by the bones thrown at them by the pre$$titudes and online shills who are busy to frame the debate to be about some person, and not a topic that most are if not incapable so unwilling to even grasp.

Like here.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Obama was questioned about this in Berlin.

"My father says you're able to look into my computer" - "That isn't your father"

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

LOL, "my specialty is outer space."

If "they" went after then-Senator Obama, "they" did a piss poor job, because he's now the President of the United States?

When they foiled Senator Obama's terrorist plot, he decided to bring down the system from within. He's just too crafty for them.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Against all expectations it's breaking through the firewall. Huffington Post covered it yesterday - over 5000 comments now. Sibel Edmonds tweeted ten hours ago (before announcing to go to bed after 24 hours awake):

We DID It: All Together. MSNBC Contacted Tice to Schedule Him for an Interview (After days of refusing to air his revelations). PeoplePower?

I'll believe MSNBC picking it up when I see it, but without any doubt this woman is a lioness with courage, skill and determination extraordinaire. She would make a great President of a US true to what it says on the label.

But there's work to do before such a thing is possible. As there's safety in numbers, you may now speak about this without having grown a spine yet. Maybe make a phone call or two and show your "skepticism". Zsar Alexander saw you reading this thread anyway.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I'll believe MSNBC picking it up when I see it

They had him on. But without providing any context, introducing him as "Former Air Force Intelligence" (which he is, among other things, but totally irrelevant to the topic at hand). And then ten minutes before the interview they tell him that they wouldn't air the stuff he really wanted to talk about, see thread title, namely his own revelations. Instead they just let him make a few rather general statements about the "news of the day" of the Snowden thing.

[...] Prior to his exclusive interview with Boiling Frogs Post, Mr. Tice tried to expose these government illegalities through US mainstream and larger pseudo alternative media outlets. Both mainstream and quasi alternative media outlets refused to publish or air Mr. Tice’s revelations; while some cited legal concerns others refrained from providing any justification whatsoever.

Today MSNBC aired an interview with Mr. Tice disclosing “some” of his revelations, thanks to the vigilant activists who tirelessly shared and disseminated Mr. Tice’s revelations and interview audio. Interestingly, at the last minute, MSNBC told Mr. Tice that they would NOT include his revelations on NSA’s targeting of Obama, elected officials, attorneys, judges and activists. Basically, they censored his entire testimony on these stunning allegations!

In a correspondence with Boiling Frogs Post immediately following his censored interview with MSNBC Mr. Tice stated:

“When they were placing the ear-phone in my ear with less than ten minutes left till my air time, the producer in New York said that their lawyers were discussing the material, and at this time, they did not want me to mention anything about the NSA wiretaps against all the people and organizations that I mentioned. That is how it went down. I did say on the air that I know it is much worse and would like to talk about that some time.”​

[...]

That's how far they dared to go. Better than nothing, I presume. Here's the segment:



In related news, the Brits are tapping the fibre-optic cables connecting the US and Europe big time and share the data with the NSA.

 

[Brainster]

Against all expectations it's breaking through the firewall. Huffington Post covered it yesterday - over 5000 comments now. Sibel Edmonds tweeted ten hours ago (before announcing to go to bed after 24 hours awake):

I'll believe MSNBC picking it up when I see it, but without any doubt this woman is a lioness with courage, skill and determination extraordinaire. She would make a great President of a US true to what it says on the label.

You're smart not to believe anything that Seebull Edmonds says.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Finally some real Journalism:

 

[Childlike Empress]

In another hour-long follow-up audio broadcast, Corbett interviews Sibel Edmonds not in her capacity as head of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, but in her capacity as whistleblower herself, although touching a bit on how Russ Tice came to join her organization NSWBC and how he behaved back then in 2004/2005 - when both of them were convinced that going through the appropriate checks and balances was the right thing to do, taking the opposite approach of what Snowden is taking now. The bulk of the audio, though, is about Sibel Edmonds' experience, looking back after she lost her illusions, of the firewall between domestic/foreign surveillance and what she saw about information gathering to blackmail important society figures, circumventing ridiculously toothless "oversight" mechanisms "overseen" by some very select conscious actors.

In related and utterly ironic news if you listened to the whole conversation: In case you thought "Zuckerberg" was kidding in the video above, Sibel's Facebook account has been blocked today because of unspecified stuff she or someone else might have written on her own website boilingfrogspost.com, but Zuckerberg's enterprise is reluctant to even pay a sycophant to make a statement about that (ever called facebook support?). Unfriended.

 

[Minoosh]

He also mentions a long list of bipartisan political players who have been early targets of the program, including f.e. Feinstein, Clinton, McCain - obviously making them vulnerable to blackmail.

I don't see why tapping their phones "obviously" makes them vulnerable to blackmail.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I don't see why tapping their phones "obviously" makes them vulnerable to blackmail.

Maybe envision Petraeus (named by Tice) to help your imagination.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Is someone having a fire sale on whistleblower status? Is this the new term to replace the term 'truther'? I better go register the domain aeNSAwhistlebower.com before Richard Gage does.

 

[Minoosh]

Maybe envision Petraeus (named by Tice) to help your imagination.

It is the secrets that make them vulnerable to blackmail, not the eavesdropping. But if they were listening to him, dang, someone should have dropped a dime.

I'm pretty cynical about expectations of privacy.

 

[carlitos]

In related and utterly ironic news if you listened to the whole conversation: In case you thought "Zuckerberg" was kidding in the video above, Sibel's Facebook account has been blocked today because of unspecified stuff she or someone else might have written on her own website boilingfrogspost.com, but Zuckerberg's enterprise is reluctant to even pay a sycophant to make a statement about that (ever called facebook support?). Unfriended.

She's probably lying or being paranoid about some technical glich. She made posts Sunday, Monday and two posts 10 hours ago. And how would she know that someone called "Patriot News" had hacked her account. Did they post something like "hi, we're Patriot News" on her page in her own name? Evidence?