"Obama threw Israel under the bus"

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From Mitt Romney's speech last night.

President Obama has thrown allies like Israel under the bus, even as he has relaxed sanctions on Castro's Cuba.
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Media Matters seems to have the most thorough debunking I've found of this and other false claims in Romney's speech.

In an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak responded to a question about the state of the current U.S.-Israeli relationship by saying, "I should tell you honestly that this administration under President Obama is doing, in regard to our security, more than anything that I can remember in the past."
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Israeli President Shimon Peres: "I think under President Obama we have the best relationship on the issue of security. Never was the security or the needs for the means of security better met than today under President Obama. This is a fact."
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Oh, and then there's this lovely little claim:
"Obama went on an apology tour."

Associated Press: "Obama Has Not Apologized For America."
PolitiFact: "It's A Ridiculous Charge" That Obama Has Apologized For America.
Wash. Post Fact Checker: "The Apology Tour Never Happened."
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It doesn't matter, they can lie and lie and not worry as the press (damn liberal press) doesn't have the balls to call them on it. Then there are the apologists like we see on this forum who will dance, bob and weave trying to justify the lies.
 
Obama has disappointed in many ways, but foreign policy isn't one of them. I'm quite surprised, but grateful.

Romney, as I recall, is the bumbling oaf who managed to get the British -- politest people on earth -- peeved off at him on his sightseeing trip just a few months ago... and I won't even bring up what he wants to do with Iran and Russia. The very idea of him criticizing Obama on foreign relations is beyond laughable. It's simply insane.
 
The goal of the repeated GOP lies is simple, they intend to overwhelm the truth with their relentless, paid-for and bought-for lies, lies, and more lies.

They succeeded in 2000 and 2004, with some help from voter fraud, and they are doing it all again.

They have it in the bag. Obama will be lucky to get 1/3 of the electoral votes.
 
jj said:
The goal of the repeated GOP lies is simple, they intend to overwhelm the truth with their relentless, paid-for and bought-for lies, lies, and more lies.

They succeeded in 2000 and 2004, with some help from voter fraud, and they are doing it all again.

They have it in the bag. Obama will be lucky to get 1/3 of the electoral votes.
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While I'm not one of the people who think Obama has it locked up, I dont' see any shift in the polls, and Obama has a lead in most of the swing states. Also, he's less susceptible to "Swiftboating" than many candidates because he has stayed on the offense.

But as to the topic, it is true that Obama has been the first president in the last half-century to treat Israel as just another country, not some infallible ally who must not be criticized. Some might call that "throwing them under the bus," but I feel is how you should treat an ally. You are on their side, but they are not given carte blanche to do anything they like. It's actually kind of refreshing.
 
Tricky said:
While I'm not one of the people who think Obama has it locked up, I dont' see any shift in the polls, and Obama has a lead in most of the swing states. Also, he's less susceptible to "Swiftboating" than many candidates because he has stayed on the offense.

But as to the topic, it is true that Obama has been the first president in the last half-century to treat Israel as just another country, not some infallible ally who must not be criticized. Some might call that "throwing them under the bus," but I feel is how you should treat an ally. You are on their side, but they are not given carte blanche to do anything they like. It's actually kind of refreshing.
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I was genuinely surprised when I saw the interview with the Israeli Prime Minister, given previous media on the subject. It is clear both leaders understood that some things are for the consumption of the voters and media, and some things (kept in the background) require a commitment and courage
 
Obama should have thrown Israel under the bus after that disgraceful lecture by Netanyahu in the Oval Office.
 
R.Mackey said:
Obama has disappointed in many ways, but foreign policy isn't one of them. I'm quite surprised, but grateful.

Romney, as I recall, is the bumbling oaf who managed to get the British -- politest people on earth -- peeved off at him on his sightseeing trip just a few months ago... and I won't even bring up what he wants to do with Iran and Russia. The very idea of him criticizing Obama on foreign relations is beyond laughable. It's simply insane.
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Also Romney ticked off China and Russia pledging a trade war with China and declaring Russia to be the greatest threat to America’s national security.
 
MG1962 said:
I was genuinely surprised when I saw the interview with the Israeli Prime Minister, given previous media on the subject. It is clear both leaders understood that some things are for the consumption of the voters and media, and some things (kept in the background) require a commitment and courage
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He probably wanted to get something specific out of the US at the time.
"A Jew is either at your feet or at your throat."
 
MaGZ said:
Also Romney ticked off China and Russia pledging a trade war with China and declaring Russia to be the greatest threat to America’s national security.
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Yeah I found those amusing as well.

"Yo China we are totally going to tariff your ass! What do you mean you're going to stop devaluing your currency?"
 
DavidJames said:
It doesn't matter, they can lie and lie and not worry as the press (damn liberal press) doesn't have the balls to call them on it.
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I don't think it's so much that as that they're relying (pun intended) on the existence of uninformed voters.

And sadly, I think a substantial portion of people who are as yet undecided are relatively uninformed voters. Even widespread fact-checking won't reach them.
 
I did a research paper in college on American support for Israel. It turns out that a good bit of it is due to American religious nuts believing Israel has to exist so that it can be destroyed so that Armageddon can occur and all the stuff in Revelation come to pass. Yep. These good people are concerned that Israel survive solely so it can fulfill its sacrificial role in getting them (the American religious) to Heaven. The Israelis themselves, of course, will be going to hell for being Jewish.

The funny part (to me, anyway) is that this belief hinges on the fact that they don't believe God can accomplish His purposes without America's help. After all, he's only God. We're America.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I did a research paper in college on American support for Israel. It turns out that a good bit of it is due to American religious nuts believing Israel has to exist so that it can be destroyed so that Armageddon can occur and all the stuff in Revelation come to pass. Yep. These good people are concerned that Israel survive solely so it can fulfill its sacrificial role in getting them (the American religious) to Heaven. The Israelis themselves, of course, will be going to hell for being Jewish.

The funny part (to me, anyway) is that this belief hinges on the fact that they don't believe God can accomplish His purposes without America's help. After all, he's only God. We're America.
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Well, you are talking about an entity thwarted by iron chariots...
 
TheRedWorm said:
Well, you are talking about an entity thwarted by iron chariots...
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That was a misunderstanding of generations of translators. What it really meant was, God cannot drive stick. If it's not automatic, he's going to have to walk.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I did a research paper in college on American support for Israel. It turns out that a good bit of it is due to American religious nuts believing Israel has to exist so that it can be destroyed so that Armageddon can occur and all the stuff in Revelation come to pass. Yep. These good people are concerned that Israel survive solely so it can fulfill its sacrificial role in getting them (the American religious) to Heaven. The Israelis themselves, of course, will be going to hell for being Jewish.

The funny part (to me, anyway) is that this belief hinges on the fact that they don't believe God can accomplish His purposes without America's help. After all, he's only God. We're America.
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^this. I was going to say just this.

The GOP isn't pro-Israel because they want to protect the Jewish people. They need to sacrifice the Jewish people so the religious right can be raptured. It's a sick and demented desire.
 
DavidJames said:
It doesn't matter, they can lie and lie and not worry as the press (damn liberal press) doesn't have the balls to call them on it. Then there are the apologists like we see on this forum who will dance, bob and weave trying to justify the lies.
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Yes David, those are lies by 'Media Matters.' It took me all of five minutes to find out it was associated with David Brock, a highly partisan muckraking hack for whoever hires him, once it was Republicans. That group at least doesn't try to hide that it's a 'progressive' special interest group hoping to 'influence' the media. The best way to 'lie' in politics is with part of the 'truth.' Those that take their representations at face value without considering logic, proportion, common sense or context are....

Nevermind. :)
 
Tricky said:
But as to the topic, it is true that Obama has been the first president in the last half-century to treat Israel as just another country, not some infallible ally who must not be criticized. Some might call that "throwing them under the bus," but I feel is how you should treat an ally. You are on their side, but they are not given carte blanche to do anything they like. It's actually kind of refreshing.
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I'm not so sure if that is true. An interesting article in Ha'aretz looked at the relationship between Israel and the current idol of the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan. Remember that when Israel bombed Osirak, Reagan took the side of Saddam Hussein over Israel and had the Israelis condemned in the Security Council. How often do you seen Security Council resolutions against Israel backed by the United States? Also, while Obama has sometimes been seen as being lukewarm to Israel given that he hasn't made a visit to Israel as president, the same was true for Reagan's two terms in office where instead he paid a visit to a German cemetary and laid a wreath for soldiers who he considered to be just as much victims as those of the Holocaust.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-o...el-like-reagan-did-he-d-be-impeached-1.400542
 
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