Obama says child rapists should be executed

parky76 said:
Child abuse is not a crime of passion...perhaps making child rape a Federal crime punishable by death would deter enough folks from doing it.
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I think the law of unintended consequences might bite you in the butt there.

If you make any crime against the person short of murder subject to the death sentence, then there is no practical incentive for the criminal not to go on and kill his victim, and one big practical incentive to do so --- the silence of the witness. The only thing restraining the criminal from protecting his interests by murdering his victim would be ... his conscience? ... oh, hold on ...

In short, it might well decrease rapes, but it might well increase rape-murders.
 
parky76 said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_el_pr/obama_child_rape_case

I am no fan of the death penalty. But I have to agree with Obama.

Child rapists...especially those who do it multiple times to the same child..should be put to death.

Child abuse is not a crime of passion...perhaps making child rape a Federal crime punishable by death would deter enough folks from doing it.
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Lookie' there! I agree with Obama.

The State should never have the right to execute.


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Dr Adequate said:
I think the law of unintended consequences might bite you in the butt there.

If you make any crime against the person short of murder subject to the death sentence, then there is no practical incentive for the criminal not to go on and kill his victim, and one big practical incentive to do so --- the silence of the witness. The only thing restraining the criminal from protecting his interests by murdering his victim would be ... his conscience? ... oh, hold on ...

In short, it might well decrease rapes, but it might well increase rape-murders.
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I tend to agree. Child rape is a sickness, which justifies locking up child rapists after they complete their sentences until they are cured. I doubt many child rapists would be deterred. They would, however, be more likely to resist arrest.

BTW, does this include aa16 year old that forces himself on his 15 year old girlfriend? If so, there are going to be a lot of he said/she said rape cases with the death penalty on the line.

How about statutory rape?
 
gdnp said:
I tend to agree. Child rape is a sickness, which justifies locking up child rapists after they complete their sentences until they are cured. I doubt many child rapists would be deterred. They would, however, be more likely to resist arrest.

BTW, does this include aa16 year old that forces himself on his 15 year old girlfriend? If so, there are going to be a lot of he said/she said rape cases with the death penalty on the line.

How about statutory rape?
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This particular case had to due with under 12 years of age.
 
I know the idea has been around for a while but can't we make Pedo Island and be done with it? A conviction will get you a one way ticket. There is no coming back.
 
I doubt penalty will deter this crime since its not one for monetary gain and is acted out of impulses and being a fricken defective sicko in the head.
 
No penalty will deter it sadly but we can at least ensure that there are no repeat offenders.
 
It's hard for me to think this isn't just Obama sending a "tough-on-crime" political signal. Child rapists are a safe target.
 
gdnp said:
I tend to agree. Child rape is a sickness, which justifies locking up child rapists after they complete their sentences until they are cured. I doubt many child rapists would be deterred. They would, however, be more likely to resist arrest.

BTW, does this include aa16 year old that forces himself on his 15 year old girlfriend? If so, there are going to be a lot of he said/she said rape cases with the death penalty on the line.

How about statutory rape?
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I am pro capital punishment for murder BUT this was a good decision and the Lindbergh law is a prime example of how misguided the law that the SCOTUS struck down. You don't threaten capital punishment when it encourages killing the only witness.
 
What you have to wonder is, is it triangulation? He doesn't come off a pro-death-penalty guy. Is it real or is it just trying to get elected?
 
corplinx said:
What you have to wonder is, is it triangulation? He doesn't come off a pro-death-penalty guy. Is it real or is it just trying to get elected?
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I'm not a Death Penalty kind of guy, either, but you know I know of people whose cold blooded murder seems worthy of punishment than the rape of a child.

My only reservations are practical;

1. Death penalty cases cost a whole lot more than locking the perp up for life and throwing away the key.

2. The error rate in convictions is just way to high to be absolutely sure you are not killing a convict in error.
 
It suspiciously a winning issue with blue collar and union democrats. HANG THEM CHILD MOLESTORS< WHOOOOOWEEEE

I guess he found something other than a bible or a gun to placate their discontent.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Lookie' there! I agree with Obama.

The State should never have the right to execute.
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Another bizarre comprehension fail from Jerome the Gnome.

Obama said:
While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes — mass murder, the rape and murder of a child — so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment.
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corplinx said:
What you have to wonder is, is it triangulation? He doesn't come off a pro-death-penalty guy. Is it real or is it just trying to get elected?
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Well, the quote above is from The Audacity of Hope, so if he's "triangulating" he's been at it for a while.
 
parky76 said:
I am no fan of the death penalty. But I have to agree with Obama.

Child rapists...especially those who do it multiple times to the same child..should be put to death.
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Then you are for the death penalty.
 
Policenaut said:
I know the idea has been around for a while but can't we make Pedo Island and be done with it? A conviction will get you a one way ticket. There is no coming back.
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I did a google on "Pedo Island" and got a lot of junk. Please explain what you meant.
 
corplinx said:
What you have to wonder is, is it triangulation? He doesn't come off a pro-death-penalty guy. Is it real or is it just trying to get elected?
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Good question. Now that he's the nominee, he's got to move toward the middle to maximize his election chances. This is one example and his weakness on FISA is another. Sadly, damn near everything he says has to be filtered through the elections lens. Well, the same is true of McCain so we are left with a credibility gap for both candidates. Oh, well, I guess that is SOP in election years.
 
corplinx said:
It suspiciously a winning issue with blue collar and union democrats. HANG THEM CHILD MOLESTORS< WHOOOOOWEEEE

I guess he found something other than a bible or a gun to placate their discontent.
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Sure. Of course. Both side play this game. You have to do it because you will lose if you don't.

In 1988, a question about rape and capital punishment tripped up Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis.

Dukakis was asked during a nationally televised debate with Republican George H. W. Bush whether he'd still oppose the death penalty if his wife were raped and murdered.

His unemotional, dispassionate answer was ridiculed, and gave Republicans more material to paint him as an emotionless liberal.
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