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Obama Ramadanadingdong

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http://bigpeace.com/pgeller/2010/08/13/obama-ramadanadingdong/

Barack Obama this week extended his “best wishes to Muslims in America and around the world” and wished them a “Ramadan Kareem.” And he wrote, as he did in last year’s Ramadan message also, about “the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

Which principles do we hold in common? Death for apostates? The legitimacy of honor killing? I don’t begin to know what Obama is talking about here. Other religions are not tolerated in Muslim countries. ... snip ...

Where is the dignity of women living under Sharia? Women’s rights under Islam are practically non-existent. ... snip ...

Obama also says that “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality.” Diversity? Where is the diversity? Non-Muslims are [h]anging on in Muslim countries only as tiny, persecuted minorities. ... snip ...

“And here in the United States,” Obama went on, “Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America and that American Muslims have made extraordinary contributions to our country. Islam has always been part of America? Really? Since when? And as for the “extraordinary contributions to our country,” all I can think of is 9/11. To what else would Obama be referring?
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And in a speech today, celebrating Ramadan ...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/obama-backs-mosque-near-ground-zero/

President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed building a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less. "As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,"
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It may be a right, but Obama doesn't have to endorse the building of this mosque. As one talk show host recently said, this mosque is just a ring side seat to what much of the islamic world views as a great victory over the Great Satan. That's why they've named it the Cordoba Mosque. Does Obama not know the history of that name? Or is he just Stuck On Stupid and doesn't know that it's a Muslim practice to build mosques on the sites of historic conquests … a tradition that began with the building of the Cordoba Mosque in Spain on the site of a former Christian church to commemorate the Muslim conquest of Spain?
 
Paranormal Inquirer said:
Oh, Fox News. :rolleyes:
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You don't think the language Obama used was forceful? His support of the project certainly wasn't tepid. So how would you characterize it?

Oh ... and by the way ... did you notice that Fox News was only reposting an ASSOCIATED PRESS article ... that wasn't even their language. Now you're not claiming that the AP is on the same side of the political aisle as Fox News, are you? Because that really would deserve a roll of the eyes. :D
 
You do know there are a billion of them, right? Should we really just write off a billion people? And, if so, can I pick the billion?
 
Loss Leader said:
You do know there are a billion of them, right? Should we really just write off a billion people? And, if so, can I pick the billion?
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Who said anything about writing them off?

What they need to do is reform.

They are still living in the 14th century.
 
BeAChooser said:
You don't think the language Obama used was forceful? His support of the project certainly wasn't tepid. So how would you characterize it?
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Do you believe Muslims don't have the right to practice their faith?
 
joobz said:
Do you believe Muslims don't have the right to practice their faith?
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In the US? Of course they do ... as long as it doesn't involve half a dozen or so fundamental aspects of their current religion ... like honor killings, killing those they can't convert, killing those who decide to stop being Muslim, and subjugating women. You'd agree with me on that, wouldn't you, joobz?

And under American Law, they can probably even legally build this Mosque overlooking Ground Zero and noone will be able to stop them. But don't think most Americans are fooled as to their intent in doing so. It isn't to build bridges or heal wounds. Don't think we are fooled as to where the money to build it will come from. Or what will go on in that mosque once it is built. You might be, but most of us won't be.
 
BeAChooser said:
In the US? Of course they do ... as long as it doesn't involve half a dozen or so fundamental aspects of their current religion ... like honor killings, killing those they can't convert, killing those who decide to stop being Muslim, and subjugating women. You'd agree with me on that, wouldn't you, joobz?
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Of course. Are you claiming that is what happens now at american Mosques?


BeAChooser said:
And under American Law, they can probably even legally build this Mosque overlooking Ground Zero and noone will be able to stop them. But don't think most Americans are fooled as to their intent in doing so. It isn't to build bridges or heal wounds. Don't think we are fooled as to where the money to build it will come from. Or what will go on in that mosque once it is built. You might be, but most of us won't be.
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What is their intent? Do a google search and see what churches, synagogues, mosques are already there.
 
Ah, talk show hosts. I go there all the time for my facts. Not.

Forgot to mention that the Cordoba (the Spain one) site was purchased, and that Christians built on the site of a Roman Temple before that. As far as I can tell this was not the site of a major battle.

Cordoba seems to be thought of by Muslims as a period of prosperity and tolerance where Muslims, Christians, and Jews got along and did not spend inordinate time trying to kill each other.

And as far as I can see, it is not named the Cordoba Mosque, it might be the Cordoba House, but it seems to remain named Park 51.

For large parts of its history, particularly under the Caliphate of Córdoba, al-Andalus was a beacon of learning, and the city of Córdoba became one of the leading cultural and economic centres in both the Mediterranean Basin and the Islamic world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus
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BeAChooser said:
But don't think most Americans are fooled as to their intent in doing so. It isn't to build bridges or heal wounds. Don't think we are fooled as to where the money to build it will come from. Or what will go on in that mosque once it is built. You might be, but most of us won't be.
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prove it.
 
On the other item, about Muslims in America... Obama might be refering to Muslim slaves.

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/twenty/tkeyinfo/islam.htm

Slavery and Islam
A small but significant proportion of African slaves, some estimate 10 percent, were Muslim. You might tell the story of Omar Ibn Said (also "Sayyid," ca. 1770-1864), who was born in Western Africa in the Muslim state of Futa Toro (on the south bank of the Senegal River in present-day Senegal). He was a Muslim scholar and trader who, for reasons historians have not uncovered, found himself captive and enslaved. After a six-week voyage, Omar arrived in Charleston, South Carolina, in about 1807. About four years later, he was sold to James Owen of North Carolina's Cape Fear region. In 1819 a white Protestant North Carolinian wrote to Francis Scott Key, the composer of The Star Spangled Banner, to request an Arabic translation of the Bible for Omar, and apparently Key sent one. Historians dispute how much the African Muslim leaned toward Christianity in his final years, but Omar's notations on the Arabic bible, which offer praise to Allah, suggest that he retained much of his Muslim identity, as did some other first-generation slaves whose names have been lost to us. (Omar's Arabic bible, which has recently been restored, is housed in the library of Davidson College in North Carolina.)
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Or maybe Malcom X. :p
 
Of maybe Obama is just making the rounds. I would not be surprised if he issues similiar messages at Christmas, Easter, Hannukah, etc.
BTW someone tell BAC that I could show him quite a few Christians who are also in the 14th century.
 
BeAChooser said:
It isn't to build bridges or heal wounds.
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From the cordoba initiative web site:

"Cordoba Initiative seeks to actively promote engagement through a myriad of programs, by reinforcing similarities and addressing differences."
 
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