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NYPD Arrest Made in Etan Patz Case

Well, here's the updated Daily News story - they're naming a name but it's still the same info as before with the same comment that Commissioner Kelly siad there would be a statement later.

But the article still also includes the comment calling Ramos "the creep". Why wouldn't they start adjusting that stance if someone else is in custody for the crime, now?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ear-old-disappearance-death-article-1.1083765

To long-term Gothamites this is just short of unbelievable. All the "leads" always seemed to come to dead-ends, brickwalls or whatever other metaphor you like. I, for one, thought there would never be an arrest and it would always be unsolved.
 
When I was in NY for NECSS IV, I was out walking around the city with a couple of others, and we happened upon the scene (on the Lower West Side, down around SoHo, IIRC) where apparently they were digging up a basement or something. There were cop cars and news trucks all over the place.
 
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But the article still also includes the comment calling Ramos "the creep". Why wouldn't they start adjusting that stance if someone else is in custody for the crime, now?

Because he IS a child molester, and DID take someone that day, per his own admission. The word creep isn't solely reserved for a suspect in a case, although I agree with you that journalists should refrain from obvious bias.
 
Because he IS a child molester, and DID take someone that day, per his own admission. The word creep isn't solely reserved for a suspect in a case, although I agree with you that journalists should refrain from obvious bias.

The latter point, of course, is what I was referring to. Back in the 60s, before The Post took over the blue collar segment of the readership, the Daily News was the ultra-conservative paper and actually was pretty much like the Post has been since 1969 or '70. During that period, the Daily News went more moderate (not completely, but somewhat - partiularly compared to the post). Tom Paxton even had an old school protest song about them.

Just saying it surprises me to see them including such a line in a front page piece that's obviously (being that it's the first sourced material out of NYC) going to be read in a lot of markets. My H.S. journalism teacher would be cringing.

Ayhow,... Truly, I'm more interested in hearing the full lowdown on what the guy in jail has said and what makes them so certain. I'm sure there are the traditional "few items" that no one but the perp could know, but not sure how many such details there could be when there's no murder scene. Unless, of course, he simply has been able to prove it by telling them where the body is/was. This is not so much morbid fascination on my part. This story was constantly in the news for years when I moved back from Montreal. I had previously lived on that street, know the neighborhood and lots of people who knew the family.
 
Interesting....

Where were you on May 25, 1979? :cool:

I better find out and document it. They're concerned that this might yet be another in the anniversary confessions - they always get one or two when the anniversary of his disappearance comes around and with all the brouhaha over the digging up of the basement last month, it's been more in the news than before.

All the later articles, e.g. a few hours after my first post, hedge their bets a bit and remind everyone of those previous times they thought they "had the guy". So I could be the next suspect and they'll be digging out my old loft.

(Actually - I had lived there in '69 and '70. But the dwellers then were mostly artists and beatniks and hippies and many owned and still own their old working lofts - not everybody sold out when SoHo went gentrified.)
 
Well, from what they've released..... I just don't know.

The guy confessed to having done this at the age of 18, at a time when he spent about a month working in the neighborhood (sounds like at a convenience store or the 1979 equivalent - "the corner store"). He says he lured him into the store with the promise of a soda and then somehow down to the basement and strangled him and dumped the body in a garbage bag, carried the bag a few blocks away and left it out with some other trash.

So far, he's given no motive - I'm sure if it was sexual the police would've said so. He's also got no material evidence, the shop has been sold and now sells glasses, and the only corroboration seems to be that he's told people for years that he's got a deep dark secret and was involved in a horrible killing in the past.

Things I'd need to see clarified before I'd believe all this:

He's a Latino teenager and working in a neighborhood bodega for about a month and the owners left him alone to watch the store? This is NYC. Rather far-fetched. Most bodega owners won't leave their cash register in the hands of even a family member, much less someone they'd only hired a few weeks earlier. I'd like to know if he was working for relatives or what the owners say about leaving their store and their cash to a casual worker.

Who watched the store while he was killing, bagging the body, walking a couple of blocks to dump it and then returned to the store. This is, ... what? A fifteen or twenty minute timeline? No one leaves a store unattended in ANY neighborhood of NYC for any amount of time. There's something major missing here.

Motive?


I'm not saying that this is a crock, but I'm sure thinking there's a lot missing in his narrative. Uppermost would be the motive. The boy had never walked that block alone before so this would've had to have been a spur of the moment thing. Do you finish taking the returned bottles down to the basement and then say to yourself, "Hmmm, I think I'll murder someone, now"? And the fact that he says he "lured" him with the promise of a soda? That says that while it was spur of the moment, he at least had the time to think up a plan. All in the time it takes a six-year-old to walk past your store? Something's missing, here.

The D.A. always looks for motive and opportunity. I'm not even sure I see an actual opportunity. By 1979 that are was not deserted in the mornings around that time. There was activity, quite a bit of it. And I most definitely don't see a motive until he gives us one.

I'm not totally sold on this. I can only hope there's a lot more in the police file than they're giving us, but rather than saying "we can't discuss right now if he offered other evidence", essentially they're saying, "No, all we've got is his confession, his apparent remorse and some conversations he had with people over the years."

And as to those conversations? One was reported as him having said that he was "involved in" a horrible crime when he was younger. Maybe just a way of wording it, or maybe there was someone else involved? If they only started questioning him on Wednesday (per the news reports), why the rush to arrest him and publicize it without first digging a lot deeper into his version of events?
 
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Physical proof would seem impossible in this scenario.

Well, I wasn't thinking blood splatters or the body but more like if he'd done the classic TV Killer Takes Souvenirs trope.

I realize that there's not likely to be physical or forensic evidence at this juncture, so I'm thinking more like corroboration from someone who he told it to (hearsay, I know) closer to the time of the event, something clearer as a motive, explanation of the "who's minding the store" question, etc...
 

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