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Novichok Part 3: Navalny

Will Pre$$titutes come into the explanation ?

I suppose RT could claim that Western security services are attempting to smear Russia by saying that every sick person has been infected with Novichok.

Alternatively they could continue with their narrative that the poisoning is down to the Russian mob.
 
Aber said:
Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny was poisoned with Novichok nerve agent, German government says



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54002880



Makes it quite difficult to claim it was not the Russian government.
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Oh please, this is a false flag operation. He was treated successfully by the Russian doctors before being transfered to Germany. And yet it's only now they diagnose him? Obviously the Germans have poisoned him!
 
Like in Salisbury, they failed to kill the target(s), again (although, in Salisbury, a woman who was not a target was killed by accident).


I wonder if those responsible for making and delivering the poison are in trouble with the Russian state due to their apparent bungling? If their intention is to kill the targets and not hide the fact that they've been deliberately killed, you'd think they would have more effective ways of doing it.
 
ceptimus said:
Like in Salisbury, they failed to kill the target(s), again (although, in Salisbury, a woman who was not a target was killed by accident).


I wonder if those responsible for making and delivering the poison are in trouble with the Russian state due to their apparent bungling? If their intention is to kill the targets and not hide the fact that they've been deliberately killed, you'd think they would have more effective ways of doing it.
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Assuming the intention is to actually kill.
 
RolandRat said:
Assuming the intention is to actually kill.
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I did say 'if'. But if their intention is something else (to strike terror into their opponents?) I would have thought there were simpler ways of doing that too.

Perhaps using such a sophisticated, and presumably hard-to-obtain poison is a deliberate way of showing that the Russian state is responsible - while still publicly protesting their innocence? If they just shot the victims, or stabbed them or whatever - that's something that any ordinary criminals could also do.
 
ceptimus said:
Like in Salisbury, they failed to kill the target(s), again (although, in Salisbury, a woman who was not a target was killed by accident).


I wonder if those responsible for making and delivering the poison are in trouble with the Russian state due to their apparent bungling? If their intention is to kill the targets and not hide the fact that they've been deliberately killed, you'd think they would have more effective ways of doing it.
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The message is more important than the end result being death, a long lingering poisoning will gain even more headlines and makes sure the message is not forgotten.
 
ceptimus said:
Like in Salisbury, they failed to kill the target(s), again (although, in Salisbury, a woman who was not a target was killed by accident).


I wonder if those responsible for making and delivering the poison are in trouble with the Russian state due to their apparent bungling? If their intention is to kill the targets and not hide the fact that they've been deliberately killed, you'd think they would have more effective ways of doing it.
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They won't be in trouble--nobody knows who they are.

And if Bellingcat or Novaya Gazeta does find out, nobody will be able to prosecute them or connect them to Daddy Vova.
 
Darat said:
The message is more important than the end result being death, a long lingering poisoning will gain even more headlines and makes sure the message is not forgotten.
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Indeed. And the message has multiple layers to it. The fact that the Russian government is the only possible culprit is an essential part of that message. They are telling critics, not only are we willing to kill you, but the notoriety of killing you offers you no protection.
 
Darat said:
Oh please, this is a false flag operation. He was treated successfully by the Russian doctors before being transfered to Germany. And yet it's only now they diagnose him? Obviously the Germans have poisoned him!
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Well they did invent nerve gas!
 
Leaked:

(Overheard by our secret source in the Kremlin)

= What a day! The Americans are really putting the boots to Merkel on Nord Stream, we’ve got demos in Khabarovsk and now Batko’s screwing up. Some days it’s just too much.

– We gotta come up with something to take people’s minds off things, Boss.

= Yeah, but what? No military anniversaries coming up. Do we have any new weapons which we can show?

– Not unless you count the re-done Bear.

= Nah, that won’t work – the Americans will just say it’s obsolete. Why it’s almost as old at their B-52!

– How about a video of the Tsar Bomba?

= Always good to remind the neo-cons that they may have Big Democracy but we’ve got Big Bomb. But I want something else.

– We could do a video of pretty girls singing that they’re Putingirls.

= Didn’t Obama did that? That’s as fake as the reset was.

– Wait Boss! I’ve got it. Let’s poison somebody! That’ll will change the headlines. Sure worked that last few times.

= Hmmmm, sounds good, keep talking.

– We’ll poison that Navalniy guy…

= Who?

– You know, the guy the Americans think you’re obsessed with.

= Isn’t he in France, in a lunatic asylum?

– No, the other guy.

= Oh yeah, I think I remember. OK so we poison him, then what?

– Well, he won’t die of course – our poisons are no good – and, after a day or two we let him go to some NATO country and they’ll say he was poisoned.

= Well, that will certainly change the headlines, let’s do it.

– OK Boss, and while people are obsessed with that, we can swing a few elections in the West.

= Ah yes, gotta remember to talk to Xi and coordinate our efforts. I’m still pissed off that he thinks he can fix a US election. He can do Japan, Australia, Korea and the others. That’s what multipolarism is – you do yours, we do ours.

H/T patrickarmstrong.ca
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Here is an interesting report from meduza.io, an Anti-Putin outlet financed by his old nemesis Mikhael Khodorkovsky:

meduza.io said:
Anti-Corruption Foundation releases investigative report Navalny was building before he was poisoned

The Anti-Corruption Foundation has published part of the investigation Alexey Navalny was compiling before he was poisoned on August 20. The 40-minute documentary film, titled “Who Captured Siberia’s Capital and How to Liberate It,” focuses on City Duma deputies and City Hall officials in Novosibirsk who are also the beneficiaries of major construction companies and municipal services enterprises. The report draws attention to the public officials’ expensive watches and cars, as well as real estate they allegedly own abroad.

According to the Anti-Corruption Foundation, this video is just the first installment of investigative work Navalny and his colleagues conducted on a recent trip to Siberia that ended in tragedy, when Navalny became violently ill aboard the return flight to Moscow. After his plane was forced to make an emergency landing in Omsk, Navalny fell into a coma and has yet to regain consciousness. He is currently hospitalized in Berlin and breathing through a ventilator. His German doctors say they’ve found evidence that he was poisoned, though the Russian physicians who treated him initially ruled this out.
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ceptimus said:
Like in Salisbury, they failed to kill the target(s), again (although, in Salisbury, a woman who was not a target was killed by accident).


I wonder if those responsible for making and delivering the poison are in trouble with the Russian state due to their apparent bungling? If their intention is to kill the targets and not hide the fact that they've been deliberately killed, you'd think they would have more effective ways of doing it.
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I'm sure Putin wants everyone to know who did it and why.
 
Christo Grozev and Elliot Higgins of Bellingcat really have done an absolutely fantastic job of eating the FSB's lunch.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...advertently-confesses-murder-plot-to-navalny/

Bellingcat can now disclose that it and its investigative partners are in possession of a recorded conversation in which a member of the suspected FSB poison squad describes how his unit carried out, and attempted to clean up evidence of, the poisoning of Alexey Navalny. The inadvertent confession was made during a phone call with a person who the officer believed was a high-ranking security official. In fact, the FSB officer did not recognize the voice of the person to whom he was reporting details of the failed mission: Alexey Navalny himself.
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Yes, you read that right. Alexy Navalny - the target of the cocked-up assassination attempt (and the article shows that this was not just a warning shot - the FSB intended to kill) managed to call one of the FSB team involved
- Konstantin Kudryavtsev, and got him to talk for 49 minutes. During that time Kudryavstev corroborated non-publically available details, and filled in other details not previously known.

Video of the call (in Russian, with english subtitles) can also be seen here. https://youtu.be/ibqiet6Bg38 . The video has racked up 14m views in just one day.
 
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