Nothing "Controlled" about WTC Demolition

[Thunder]

we hear from the 9-11 deniers, that the wtc was brought down by a "controlled" demolition.

well, whats a "controlled" demolition all about?

it is the purposeful demolishing of a building, with the goal of keeping every square inch of the rubbel within the literal footprint of the building, to prevent damage to any neighboring structures

did the wtc towers fall into their footprints? absolutely not.
did wtc 7 fall completaly into its footprint? no.

how we do know this? because ever other building of the wtc complex was severaly damaged beyong repair. and many of the surrounding buildings outside of the comples were also severaly damaged, i.e. the world financial center, deutsche bank, etc.

so clearly, the wtc collapses failed to live up to the whole pupose of a "controlled" demolition. they severaly and irrepraply damaged neighboring structures.

furthermore, most videos of controlled demos follow this seqeunce:

boom, boom, boom, boom, flash, flash, flash,....then the total collapse

we do not hear large numbers of booms before the wtc towers collapsed...we do not see massive amounts of flashes...none of the tell-tail signs of controlled demos (other then the building falling down) were present at the wtc.

and yes, wtc 7 did collapse in a way that looked similar to controlled demos, but once again..where are all the booms? where are all the flashes?

the video evidence...of the wtc collapses, simply does not add up to a controlled demo.

 

[JAStewart]

For 9/11 alone, Controlled Demolitions were changed, then afterwards they returned to normal.

 

[Pardalis]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for Russell to explain that one to me, but since he's doing such a good job on the Pentagon thread, I'll wait for when he's up for it.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2052069#post2052069
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2053413#post2053413

 

[stateofgrace]

There was no controlled demolition of either Tower, Despite the cters claims when they are put to the test they simply fall down.

They cannot even get a cohesive thesis together between themselves. They go from loud explosives to quiet thermite. To explosions before the planes hit to explosions after the Towers started to collapse. They go from space beams to secret death squads planting tons and tons of explosives inside the Towers before hand.

The best they can come up with on WTC 7 is .... When I first saw it I knew, I just knew it was a controlled demolition. Anybody who says differently hasn’t see the you tube video.

It is wishful thinking in it’s purest form. Some deranged illusion whereby the USG is so evil they will kill 3000 of their own, plant evidence, remove evidence, fake evidence, confiscate evidence, suppress evidence and bribe and scare everybody else into conforming to their wishes. Yet through it all shines the troother on the internet, cracking the case, give me a break

 

[Hawkeye]

What if it was controlled demolition engineered to not look like controlled demolition?
You know, the same way the intelligent designer made everything look like a product of evolution.

 

[gumboot]

What if it was controlled demolition engineered to not look like controlled demolition?
You know, the same way the intelligent designer made everything look like a product of evolution.

I've always thought the logical "out" for Religious folks was the fairly obvious:

"The Intelligent Designer designed evolution".

-Gumboot

 

[Thunder]

so it was a controlled demolition....made to look uncontrolled. lol.

 

[Christophera]

we hear from the 9-11 deniers, that the wtc was brought down by a "controlled" demolition.

well, whats a "controlled" demolition all about?

it is the purposeful demolishing of a building, with the goal of keeping every square inch of the rubbel within the literal footprint of the building, to prevent damage to any neighboring structures

did the wtc towers fall into their footprints? absolutely not.
did wtc 7 fall completaly into its footprint? no.

how we do know this? because ever other building of the wtc complex was severaly damaged beyong repair. and many of the surrounding buildings outside of the comples were also severaly damaged, i.e. the world financial center, deutsche bank, etc.

so clearly, the wtc collapses failed to live up to the whole pupose of a "controlled" demolition. they severaly and irrepraply damaged neighboring structures.

furthermore, most videos of controlled demos follow this seqeunce:

boom, boom, boom, boom, flash, flash, flash,....then the total collapse

we do not hear large numbers of booms before the wtc towers collapsed...we do not see massive amounts of flashes...none of the tell-tail signs of controlled demos (other then the building falling down) were present at the wtc.

and yes, wtc 7 did collapse in a way that looked similar to controlled demos, but once again..where are all the booms? where are all the flashes?

the video evidence...of the wtc collapses, simply does not add up to a controlled demo.

There was an intent to mimic some kind of a collapse, a collapse like never seen before.

There were 2 basic explosive systems. One comprised of floors and another that was the steel reinforced concrete core.

It is true, there was a real lack of control over the event if minimalizing collateral damage was an intent.

However I do believe there was an intent to do that and it is represented in the thermite that was installed in the remodel of the basement in 1993. If one examines the information from the terrorist convicted, not sure exactly where this is in all of that info. I saw it once and didn't keep track of it, but they will find that first the terrorism, a bomb, was proposed as a fake bomb, and then later real explosives swapped out for the fake. Then there was a change in where the van with the bomb was to be parked. It was supposed to be parked against the core originally then moved, by the FBI involved, to an area out in the parking area.

With my understanding of the "special" plastic coating" on the rebar, if the van had been against the core, the entire core would have blown at once. As it was there were delays put in to the top to bottom circuit of plastic explosives, which mimicked a free fall. If the van had been parked next to the core the entire core could have gone at once like a giant firecracker. Now, ......... that would have been hard to explain.

So the van was parked where it would merely blow some floors out which gave the perfect excuse for a remodel which allowed thermite to be placed wherever the perimeter columns and interior box columns were available in the first level basement and first floor. What this did, in conjunction with the explosive explosive floors floors and their built in custom Cutting charges built into the floors was to cut the interior box columns, whereupon the thermite removed the box columns, interior and perimeter column bases and the floors fell, or were swept away by the mass of heavy steel, sand and gravel falling from above to fall and be near the ground before the major core explosion occured.. Had the exterior steel frame been in place when the major core explosion occured, the steel would have been thrown in to the surrounding buildings.

The lower core walls were so thick that reaching the rebar to apply a delay circuit may have been too difficult or restricted in the timetable available to install detonators. As it was the lower floors of the tower had interuppted elevator servide immediately after the lease began, 90 days before 9-11. So that major core explosion was not possible to limit. The linked image shows a huge wave of concrete particulate heaving up and out. Had the steel been there, major damage would have been inflicted on surrounding buildings.

Yes, not very controlled. But, as it came down from the top, and the steel exterior frame work was on the ground or near it hwen the heavy core walls were detonated, the surrouding damages were limited somewhat.

 

[Gravy]

Christophera:

22!

(That should send him scampering back to his invisicrete thread.)

 

[~enigma~]

There was an intent to mimic some kind of a collapse, a collapse like never seen before.

There were 2 basic explosive systems. One comprised of floors and another that was the steel reinforced concrete core.

It is true, there was a real lack of control over the event if minimalizing collateral damage was an intent.

However I do believe there was an intent to do that and it is represented in the thermite that was installed in the remodel of the basement in 1993. If one examines the information from the terrorist convicted, not sure exactly where this is in all of that info. I saw it once and didn't keep track of it, but they will find that first the terrorism, a bomb, was proposed as a fake bomb, and then later real explosives swapped out for the fake. Then there was a change in where the van with the bomb was to be parked. It was supposed to be parked against the core originally then moved, by the FBI involved, to an area out in the parking area.

With my understanding of the "special" plastic coating" on the rebar, if the van had been against the core, the entire core would have blown at once. As it was there were delays put in to the top to bottom circuit of plastic explosives, which mimicked a free fall. If the van had been parked next to the core the entire core could have gone at once like a giant firecracker. Now, ......... that would have been hard to explain.

So the van was parked where it would merely blow some floors out which gave the perfect excuse for a remodel which allowed thermite to be placed wherever the perimeter columns and interior box columns were available in the first level basement and first floor. What this did, in conjunction with the explosive explosive floors floors and their built in custom Cutting charges built into the floors was to cut the interior box columns, whereupon the thermite removed the box columns, interior and perimeter column bases and the floors fell, or were swept away by the mass of heavy steel, sand and gravel falling from above to fall and be near the ground before the major core explosion occured.. Had the exterior steel frame been in place when the major core explosion occured, the steel would have been thrown in to the surrounding buildings.

The lower core walls were so thick that reaching the rebar to apply a delay circuit may have been too difficult or restricted in the timetable available to install detonators. As it was the lower floors of the tower had interuppted elevator servide immediately after the lease began, 90 days before 9-11. So that major core explosion was not possible to limit. The linked image shows a huge wave of concrete particulate heaving up and out. Had the steel been there, major damage would have been inflicted on surrounding buildings.

Yes, not very controlled. But, as it came down from the top, and the steel exterior frame work was on the ground or near it hwen the heavy core walls were detonated, the surrouding damages were limited somewhat.

foe god's sake...would you shut up...I'm saying please

 

[MortFurd]

I've always thought the logical "out" for Religious folks was the fairly obvious:

"The Intelligent Designer designed evolution".

-Gumboot

Yeah.

Now that's the kind of God it might be possible to believe in:


(God and his buddies hanging out at the local Omnipotent Beings Snooker Bar)
"Hey dudes, watch this. Humanoid race on a planet with water and oxygen. Racial self destruct through nuclear war at universe elapsed time of 5.1 billion years."

(God lines up the cue and snaps a neutron through a monoblock.
He and his buddies take a pull on their Omnipotent beers and watch the new universe unfold. Stars and planets form, the human race evolves from slime on the planet Earth.)
"Awesome shot dude."
"Awright."
"Close, but no cigar, man. That was 5.3 Billion, and AGW (Anthropomorphic Global Warming) got 'em."


That'd be easier to believe than "God loves us all but kills us by the droves and roasts us in hell for eternity."

 

[gumboot]

There was an intent to mimic some kind of a collapse, a collapse like never seen before.

How do you mimic something you've never seen?

-Gumboot

 

[NickUK]

There was an intent to mimic some kind of a collapse, a collapse like never seen before.

How can you mimic a collapse that's never been seen before?

Brain...hurts...must....close....eyes.....

 

[NickUK]

Damn you Gumboot.

(only beat me by 15 minutes )

 

[PerryLogan]

You can't mimic an unseen collapse...but you can mime it.

How did the villains keep the explosions from showing up on seismographs?

Was this all masterminded by the guy who shot his friend in the face?

 

[gumboot]

You can't mimic an unseen collapse...but you can mime it.

How did the villains keep the explosions from showing up on seismographs?

You answered your own question above. How did they stop the explosions showing up? Same way they stopped any cameras capturing the deafening roar of explosions.

They mimed it. Hushaboom.

-Gumboot

 

[pgwenthold]

There was no controlled demolition of either Tower, Despite the cters claims when they are put to the test they simply fall down.

They cannot even get a cohesive thesis together between themselves. They go from loud explosives to quiet thermite. To explosions before the planes hit to explosions after the Towers started to collapse. They go from space beams to secret death squads planting tons and tons of explosives inside the Towers before hand.

The best they can come up with on WTC 7 is .... When I first saw it I knew, I just knew it was a controlled demolition. Anybody who says differently hasn’t see the you tube video.

Remember the old days when they were saying about how the falling of WTC1 and 2 "looked like a controlled demolition." In fact, that is where a lot of this started. Of course, it doesn't take long to realize that they actually look nothing like controlled demolitions, so that is why they have to resort to completely unprecedented processes in CD like thermite or death rays. Heck, we've even heard the claim that they deliberately made it not look like a CD in order to hide the fact that it was (how's that for coming full circle - they start with, "it looked like a CD, it must have been deliberate" to "it was deliberate, it must have been CD").

Either that or they run to WTC7, which looks _more_ like a CD, at least at the surface, but of course that fails, too, when you consider the more details. But at least WTC7 is not as obviously not a CD like the others. Those early claims that WTC1 and 2 looked like CDs were blatently wrong to anyone who actually watched a real CD.

 

[Horatius]

You can't mimic an unseen collapse...but you can mime it.

How did the villains keep the explosions from showing up on seismographs?

Oh, that's easy. They set up counter-explosives in the bathtub wall to exactly match the amplitude of the vibrations caused by the explosives, but with a negative phase, so the superposition of the vibrations exactly cancelled out. Just like those noise cancelling earphones. Hey, if they could time the explosions in the towers as well as they did, this would be child's play!

Was this all masterminded by the guy who shot his friend in the face?

That was pure misdirection. Make himself look the fool, and no one would believe the Truth!

It actually shows how good a shot he is. Do you know how hard it is to shoot someone in the face and not kill them? Brilliant!

 

[firecoins]

Of course it was a controlled demolition. These buildings were brought down on purpose by men who hijacked airplanes. They were in contol and demolished several huge buildings.

 

[fuelair]

There was an intent to mimic some kind of a collapse, a collapse like never seen before.

There were 2 basic explosive systems. One comprised of floors and another that was the steel reinforced concrete core.

It is true, there was a real lack of control over the event if minimalizing collateral damage was an intent.

However I do believe there was an intent to do that and it is represented in the thermite that was installed in the remodel of the basement in 1993. If one examines the information from the terrorist convicted, not sure exactly where this is in all of that info. I saw it once and didn't keep track of it, but they will find that first the terrorism, a bomb, was proposed as a fake bomb, and then later real explosives swapped out for the fake. Then there was a change in where the van with the bomb was to be parked. It was supposed to be parked against the core originally then moved, by the FBI involved, to an area out in the parking area.

With my understanding of the "special" plastic coating" on the rebar, if the van had been against the core, the entire core would have blown at once. As it was there were delays put in to the top to bottom circuit of plastic explosives, which mimicked a free fall. If the van had been parked next to the core the entire core could have gone at once like a giant firecracker. Now, ......... that would have been hard to explain.

So the van was parked where it would merely blow some floors out which gave the perfect excuse for a remodel which allowed thermite to be placed wherever the perimeter columns and interior box columns were available in the first level basement and first floor. What this did, in conjunction with the explosive explosive floors floors and their built in custom Cutting charges built into the floors was to cut the interior box columns, whereupon the thermite removed the box columns, interior and perimeter column bases and the floors fell, or were swept away by the mass of heavy steel, sand and gravel falling from above to fall and be near the ground before the major core explosion occured.. Had the exterior steel frame been in place when the major core explosion occured, the steel would have been thrown in to the surrounding buildings.

The lower core walls were so thick that reaching the rebar to apply a delay circuit may have been too difficult or restricted in the timetable available to install detonators. As it was the lower floors of the tower had interuppted elevator servide immediately after the lease began, 90 days before 9-11. So that major core explosion was not possible to limit. The linked image shows a huge wave of concrete particulate heaving up and out. Had the steel been there, major damage would have been inflicted on surrounding buildings.

Yes, not very controlled. But, as it came down from the top, and the steel exterior frame work was on the ground or near it hwen the heavy core walls were detonated, the surrouding damages were limited somewhat.

Please seek help. I personally could care less - but you do need help. Lots of help. Trainload of help.