Not welcome in Saudi Arabia

zenith-nadir

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Jews barred in Saudi tourist drive - BBC

Saudi Arabia is barring visits by Jews after launching a new visa scheme to try to attract more tourists. The Saudi tourism department website said tourist visas would not be issued to Israeli passport holders or Jews.


Saudis: No Jews Welcome - CBS

The Web site, promoting a new Saudi program to offer tourist visas to encourage more foreign visitors, lists four groups not entitled to tourist visas, including "Jewish People."

Flap over Jewish travel visa ban - CNN

The Saudi government has launched an investigation into why its tourism Web site posted a notice that travel visas to Saudi Arabia would not be issued to people of the Jewish faith, according to the spokesman for the Saudi embassy in Washington.




Oh...gee....sorry about that....now how did a travel ban on all jews get on our Saudi government tourism Web site ???.....bet it was the jews who did it !

When will people finally see the truth about Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism.....
 
I remember recently goint to Malaysia with a Jewish friend of mine and joking around that they'd give him a hard time at customs. Guess I wasn't so far off. I didn't have much respect for the Saudis to start off with, but this is really setting off the stupid alarms. Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.. there goes another one...
 
zenith-nadir said:
Jews barred in Saudi tourist drive - BBC




Saudis: No Jews Welcome - CBS



Flap over Jewish travel visa ban - CNN






Oh...gee....sorry about that....now how did a travel ban on all jews get on our Saudi government tourism Web site ???.....bet it was the jews who did it !

When will people finally see the truth about Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism.....

I checked out Saudi Visa requirementslong before this. They wanted to know your religion.

What I would like to know is why we do not have the same limits on visa's that other countries have on US citizens. If we did, the 9/11 crew would not have gotten in on Saudi passports. In fact tourism was not a sufficient cause to vist Saudi Arabia prior to this. You had to be going on a Haj or on business, and then you had to have your application countersigned. The USA is an idiot when it comes to welcoming people in.
 
svero said:
I remember recently goint to Malaysia with a Jewish friend of mine and joking around that they'd give him a hard time at customs. Guess I wasn't so far off. I didn't have much respect for the Saudis to start off with, but this is really setting off the stupid alarms. Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.. there goes another one...


Malaysia is a perfect example how a rich many centuries-old Indo-chinese culture can be replaced by Islam.

Cultures have been meeting and mixing in Malaysia for more than fifteen hundred years. Traders from China, India, Portugal, Britain, Holland all came to Malaysia to do business. Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism and Christianity also came to Malaysia.

Then Arab traders arrived in Malacca and brought with them the principles and practices of Islam.

And all that amazing history was subjugated in the 1960's when an Islamic government came into power.

Then after 22 years in power Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad announced "jews rule they world by proxy".

I think anyone can add 2+2.....
 
Unless things have changed in the last ten years you are issued a pass book which you must carry with you at all times. This comes in different colours depending on your religion.
Saudi tourism? There's an interesting concept.
 
zenith-nadir said:



Malaysia is a perfect example how a rich many centuries-old Indo-chinese culture can be replaced by Islam.

Cultures have been meeting and mixing in Malaysia for more than fifteen hundred years. Traders from China, India, Portugal, Britain, Holland all came to Malaysia to do business. Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism and Christianity also came to Malaysia.

Then Arab traders arrived in Malacca and brought with them the principles and practices of Islam.

And all that amazing history was subjugated in the 1960's when an Islamic government came into power.

Then after 22 years in power Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad announced "jews rule they world by proxy".

I think anyone can add 2+2.....


I don't know much about Malaysia. However I will say that while I was there I saw a mix of bhuddism, Indian religions, Cathlocism and Islam seemingly living peacefully together. On the whole it seemed like a fairly reasonable place. Certainly we didn't run into anything but friendly welcome on our trip. As for Mahathir and his comments... well... despite not being in a good position to defend or even know if I should defend Malaysia, I wouldn't rush to judge a whole country by one politician. Imagine judging all americans by the behaviour of John Ashcroft or something like that... It wouldn't be a pretty picture.
 
svero said:
I don't know much about Malaysia. However I will say that while I was there I saw a mix of bhuddism, Indian religions, Cathlocism and Islam seemingly living peacefully together. On the whole it seemed like a fairly reasonable place. Certainly we didn't run into anything but friendly welcome on our trip. As for Mahathir and his comments... well... despite not being in a good position to defend or even know if I should defend Malaysia, I wouldn't rush to judge a whole country by one politician. Imagine judging all americans by the behaviour of John Ashcroft or something like that... It wouldn't be a pretty picture.



I am not judging all Malaysians.

I am judging what an Islamic government in Malaysia represents. While most Malasians are friendly and tolerant, the government of Malaysia is not too friendly. A lot of policies in Malaysia discriminate in terms of race.



Originally posted by mummymonkey
Unless things have changed in the last ten years you are issued a pass book which you must carry with you at all times. This comes in different colours depending on your religion.
Saudi tourism? There's an interesting concept.


I will forever crack a smile everytime someone uses the word 'aparthied' to describe Israel when this type of thing happens in Saudi Arabia.

I am just waiting for the Saudis to blame the 'travel ban' on the Mossad... or some poor expendable scapegoat at the Saudi Ministry of Tourism.
 
mummymonkey said:

Saudi tourism? There's an interesting concept.

I don't know. The extreme south is quite mountainous, and very green, and has a number of endemic bird species (shared only with Yemen), I'd go there if I could.
 
originally posted by zenith-nadirI am judging what an Islamic government in Malaysia represents. While most Malasians are friendly and tolerant, the government of Malaysia is not too friendly. A lot of policies in Malaysia discriminate in terms of race.

Good point. I agree entirely. I know you will also be very unhappy with this ethnically based discrimination.

For the past 18 months, a policy of quiet deportation of East Jerusalem's Palestinians residents has been taking place through laws, regulations, court judgments and administrative tactics. This policy has caused hundreds, if not thousands, of Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to lose their rights as residents of the city. Given the lack of transparency of this policy, tens of thousands of Palestinians live in uncertainty regarding their status and their future in the city.

From http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/Summaries/The_Quiet_Deportation.asp
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Good point. I agree entirely. I know you will also be very unhappy with this ethnically based discrimination. For the past 18 months, a policy of quiet deportation of East Jerusalem's Palestinians residents has been taking place through laws, regulations, court judgments and administrative tactics. This policy has caused hundreds, if not thousands, of Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem to lose their rights as residents of the city. Given the lack of transparency of this policy, tens of thousands of Palestinians live in uncertainty regarding their status and their future in the city.


While you "agree entirely" and then point out ethnically based discrimination in east Jerusalem I think you fail to accept the ethnically based discrimination against Christian Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Or how Kuwait expelled 400,000 Palestinians after Desert Storm, or how Lebanese Christians were killed wholesale during the PLO -Lebanese civil war....Or how 'jews' aren't allowed to go visit Saudi Arabia today.

Everything isn't because of Israel E.J.
 
Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

Good point. I agree entirely. I know you will also be very unhappy with this ethnically based discrimination.

For the past 18 months…

Wow, did you even notice that the article you quoted was seven years old? Did you bother to find out the other side of the story? Did you make any effort to find out what’s happened since? Or do you just take everything that’s critical of Israel at face value while making no effort to verify facts?

When Israel took over Jerusalem, they offered the Arab residence of the city Israeli citizenship. Most declined, so instead of expelling them, they were offered “permanent residency”. A temporary solution.

The problem with temporary solutions is when they’re left in effect long term, they create additional problems. In this case, there developed a population of people who had this residency status who were not residents. People who had moved away and settled elsewhere, and the children of the same.

So ask a basic question; how long should a person be gone before they are no longer considered a resident?

Well, for a very long time the policy was seven years. A person with permanent residency status maintained this status for seven years, and could renew the clock just by visiting the city. The controversy came from a change in this policy back in 1995, where merely visiting the city was no longer sufficient to reset the clock, the person had to take up residency again.

Fair? Arguably not, it was very controversial, which is why the policy was reversed in 1999.

So what we have here is an attempt to portray Israel’s policy on permanent residents in Jerusalem with Saudi Arabia’s policy of not even allowing Jews to visit as being equivalent, even though Israel’s policy is based on the distinction between the difference between a citizen and a permanent resident and Saudi Arabia’s policy is flat out discrimination against a religious/ethnic group. Further, we have an old policy no longer in effect being presented as though it were still in effect today, contrast that to Saudi Arabia’s policy which was only recently announced.
 
zenith-nadir said:

Oh...gee....sorry about that....now how did a travel ban on all jews get on our Saudi government tourism Web site ???.....bet it was the jews who did it !

When will people finally see the truth about Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism.....

On one level, it shows the Saudi regime for what they are.

On another level, it's a non-issue. Sure the tourism bit is a new angle, but the Saudis barring Jews is nothing new.

I can't imagine that any Jewish holiday makers are disappointed that they can't visit Saudi Arabia.

Same old, not breaking news.
 
I'll bet a quarter we won't be seeing "The Fool" or "A Unique Person", those bastions of "anti-racism", protesting this for some reason...
 
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Abdul Alhazred said:
On one level, it shows the Saudi regime for what they are.
On another level, it's a non-issue. Sure the tourism bit is a new angle, but the Saudis barring Jews is nothing new.I can't imagine that any Jewish holiday makers are disappointed that they can't visit Saudi Arabia.Same old, not breaking news.


Why is banning people from visiting a country based solely on their religion not breaking news?

I think it is definitely breaking news especially when that same country is in the Hague today fighting the ...cough...'apartheid wall'...cough....;)
 
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zenith-nadir said:
Why is banning people from visiting a country based solely on their religion not breaking news?
Because they have done it all along. It is a worthwhile datum in denouncing them, but a policy of the better part of a century is not breaking news.
I think it is definitely breaking news especially when that same country is in the Hague today fighting the ...cough...'apartheid wall'...cough....;)

The stinking policy of being allied to Saudi Arabia is a real issue, but this latest tourist crapola is more of the same. Nothing new here.

Who will be a tourist to Saudi Arabia, beside folks on the Hajj? No one, I think.

Edited to add:
The apartheid wall, so called, has nothing to do with Jews in general. The Saudi regime is truly racist. And don't hack me a chainek about Jews not being a race. The enemies of the Jews think they are and that is enough.
 
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Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred The stinking policy of being allied to Saudi Arabia is a real issue, but this latest tourist crapola is more of the same. Nothing new here.
The sooner Saudi Arabia runs out of oil the happier I will be. I look forward to the day where all OPEC regulates is the price of sand.

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred Who will be a tourist to Saudi Arabia, beside folks on the Hajj? No one, I think.
Not true. I would like to see the rock tombs in Madain Salah.


Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred Edited to add:The apartheid wall, so called, has nothing to do with Jews in general. The Saudi regime is truly racist. And don't hack me a chainek about Jews not being a race. The enemies of the Jews think they are and that is enough.
Agreed. Saudi Wahhabism has turned Islam into the terminally ill patient it is today.
 
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Abdul Alhazred said:

Who will be a tourist to Saudi Arabia, beside folks on the Hajj? No one, I think.

Not true, I'd go to the south to see the birds, and I know a lot of birders who would follow me.
 
Skeptic said:
I'll bet a quarter we won't be seeing "The Fool" or "A Unique Person", those bastions of "anti-racism", protesting this for some reason...
Do I have to applaud Zenith-Nadirs ability to repost the obvious?

It is one of your standard lies that I somehow believe there is no such thing as an Arab Racist or a muslim racist. Like Zenith-Nadir, you don't care if its true or not you just feel that repeating a lie is some sort of "duty to the cause"

The reason you probably see the defenders of victims of racism nearly always defending muslims is because, as you would be aware, they are the only target of the racists that post here.

Show me someone who rants about Jews, calling them bloodthirsty savages. Until then you can just assume I join in with the condemnation of any racism that any poster digs up and posts here....Funny, but I thought my attitude about racism was well known....apparently you must spend a large part of your life with your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed.

Anyway, so long as Saudi-arabia is a protected lapdog of the US I don't see how they can be accountable for anything anyway....Hmmmm, where did bin-laden and his support and his money come from again? Lets just invade them eh? Then thier racist visa rules won't matter any more.... Why didn't we invade them again? Anyone remember??

boring....


BTW Zenith...I don't suppose you are interested in giving me any examples to support the list of your recent blatant lies and fabrications? Crickets are chirping on that one eh....?
 
The Fool said:
BTW Zenith...I don't suppose you are interested in giving me any examples to support the list of your recent blatant lies and fabrications? Crickets are chirping on that one eh....?


You live in Australia fool, on stolen Aboriginal land. You 'occupy' stolen Aboriginal land, your home is on stolen Aboriginal land.

When are you going to put your money where your mouth is and give your 'illegal' house/apartment back to the Aboriginies?
 
zenith-nadir said:
Jews barred in Saudi tourist drive - BBC




Saudis: No Jews Welcome - CBS



Flap over Jewish travel visa ban - CNN






Oh...gee....sorry about that....now how did a travel ban on all jews get on our Saudi government tourism Web site ???.....bet it was the jews who did it !

When will people finally see the truth about Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism.....

What truth? That Saudi is run by a greedy family of rulers who thought that it would be better to keep their subjects ignorant than educate them and risk losing power?
 

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