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Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

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bardamu said:
But why did these two facts only become known in 2008?

There was a blob heading towards the towers, but it's not clear whether that was shown live or not. Just before the impact they switch cameras to a shot that just catches the edge of the explosion. In the FOX archives, they appear to have replaced the 'nose-out' footage with a similar shot.

None of them was right.

I don't think he was asking you to believe what Dave Von Kleist is telling you. It's just a source for the FOX footage.
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Ah... a no planer...

Wonderful.

and my personal favorite from Alan Lawson (a truther)



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Well, let's be fair here. Is bardamu intimating that he doesn't think there was a plane(s)?

I didn't get that from his post(s) at all.
 
bardamu said:
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There was a blob heading towards the towers, but it's not clear whether that was shown live or not. Just before the impact they switch cameras to a shot that just catches the edge of the explosion. In the FOX archives, they appear to have replaced the 'nose-out' footage with a similar shot.<snip>
It's just a source for the FOX footage.
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Joey... He sure does seem to be implying that he is a no planer...

The footage has been changed in the archive (it hasn't) to replace the "nose-out" footage.
 
Maybe this is a better question for him.

bardamu, are you an adherent of the "no-plane" theories?
 
TruthersLie said:
Joey... He sure does seem to be implying that he is a no planer...

The footage has been changed in the archive (it hasn't) to replace the "nose-out" footage.
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The footage has been changed on what FOX avers to be it's live broadcast of 9/11. The authentic live broadcast shows the nose of the plane going right through the building. I know this myself having seen it on the day of 9/11 itself. However you will not find it in the video archive that FOX claims to be it's live bradcast. They have deliberately (and very interestingly) altered the historical record.

However the footage can be found elsewhere on their site- just not in the right place where it should be..
 
bill smith said:
The footage has been changed on what FOX avers to be it's live broadcast of 9/11. The authentic live broadcast shows the nose of the plane going right through the building. I know this myself having seen it on the day of 9/11 itself. However you will not find it in the video archive that FOX claims to be it's live bradcast. They have deliberately (and very interestingly) altered the historical record.

However the footage can be found elsewhere on their site- just not in the right place where it should be..
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You have been given the links to the direct footage of what they broadcast on 9/11 at least 4 times billy.

I don't have the links, but you have been given it repeatedly. Why do you lie and misrepresent the facts billy?

Since you are making a great claim about having seen the nose going right through the building, please provide the video footage billy. It should be easy to find.

I have just given you 3 videos which show that no "nose in nose out" event occured... did you even bother to watch them? (of course not)
 
TruthersLie said:
You have been given the links to the direct footage of what they broadcast on 9/11 at least 4 times billy.

I don't have the links, but you have been given it repeatedly. Why do you lie and misrepresent the facts billy?

Since you are making a great claim about having seen the nose going right through the building, please provide the video footage billy. It should be easy to find.

I have just given you 3 videos which show that no "nose in nose out" event occured... did you even bother to watch them? (of course not)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5-xcvv_fRQ
 
bill smith said:
The footage has been changed on what FOX avers to be it's live broadcast of 9/11. The authentic live broadcast shows the nose of the plane going right through the building. I know this myself having seen it on the day of 9/11 itself. However you will not find it in the video archive that FOX claims to be it's live bradcast. They have deliberately (and very interestingly) altered the historical record.

However the footage can be found elsewhere on their site- just not in the right place where it should be..
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Woot! I'll take Pinnochio's Nose for eight hundred, Alex.

Are we an Ace Baker fan, Bill?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Woot! I'll take Pinnochio's Nose for eight hundred, Alex.

Are we an Ace Baker fan, Bill?
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Suppose it was true....what I say about FOX altering the authentic historical record as seen on 9/11 by putting non-broadcast footage in place of the actual authentic broadcast footage of the minutes surrounding the full penetration of the building by the airliner..

Would that be human error do you think ? Is it okay with you that FOX should do this ?
 
TruthersLie said:
Billy.

I can tell you didn't watch the videos I posted... they completely and utterly destroy simonshack billy.

completely and utterly.

What makes it sooooo funny is that Alan Lawson is a truther.
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Are you saying that the video I posted is a forgery ?
 
bill smith said:
Suppose it was true....what I say about FOX altering the authentic historical record as seen on 9/11 by putting non-broadcast footage in place of the actual authentic broadcast footage of the minutes surrounding the full penetration of the building by the airliner..

Would that be human error do you think ? Is it okay with you that FOX should do this ?
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That's what the grown-ups call conjecture.
 
bardamu said:
But why did these two facts only become known in 2008?




There was a blob heading towards the towers, but it's not clear whether that was shown live or not. Just before the impact they switch cameras to a shot that just catches the edge of the explosion. In the FOX archives, they appear to have replaced the 'nose-out' footage with a similar shot.




None of them was right.




I don't think he was asking you to believe what Dave Von Kleist is telling you. It's just a source for the FOX footage.
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They?
 
bill smith said:
Are you saying that the video I posted is a forgery ?
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Either way, who cares and how would either answer change the fact that two hijacked airliners caused all the destruction at WTC?

It's just a video. Reality trumps Youtube every day.
 
BigAl said:
Either way, who cares and how would either answer change the fact that two hijacked airliners caused all the destruction at WTC?

It's just a video. Reality trumps Youtube every day.
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i have several relatives who saw the second plane hit the tower.
 
bill smith said:
Are you saying that the video I posted is a forgery ?
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I'm saying that simonshack is full of crap and that Alan Lawson completely destroys the BS that simonshack is peddling.

You might just want to watch the videos I posted which show that there is no "nose in/nose out" moment.

The first video clearly shows what came out the other side (mainly the ENGINE).

The other two videos clearly show that simonshack is full of crap.

You might just want to watch them...
 
bill smith said:
The footage has been changed on what FOX avers to be it's live broadcast of 9/11. The authentic live broadcast shows the nose of the plane going right through the building. I know this myself having seen it on the day of 9/11 itself. However you will not find it in the video archive that FOX claims to be it's live bradcast. They have deliberately (and very interestingly) altered the historical record.

However the footage can be found elsewhere on their site- just not in the right place where it should be..
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This whole 'nose in/nose out' tripe just demonstrates that 'truthers' don't understand the concept of the video encoding/decoding that happens between upstream broadcaster and downstream home reception. Either that or they refuse to get it no matter how many small words are used to explain the process.

For the sake of bandwidth reduction, predictive encoding is used between frames to throw away information that is likely redundant. An object travelling from right to left on the screen can reasonably be expected to continue travelling right to left and the predicted extraneous data is eliminated. This is just fine for 99% of video that makes it to home receivers as the average viewer isn't going to be that discerning and they're certainly not going to be trying to do frame-by-frame analysis of an image that's had a good part of its original data smoothed-over.

Trying to do meaningful video analysis from a VHS recording digitised to a consumer-grade video editing software package and then uploaded to YouTube is like trying to analyse microbes through a microscope that has had Vaseline© smeared on all its internal and external optics.

The common thread is that both images are meaningless and have lost clarity.
 
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