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Norwegian Politics for Dummies

Ryokan

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In my thread about Norway's latest election, the question about European political diversity vs American political dualism came up, so I thought I'd make a post where Americans could see the diversity of Norwegian politics and the advantages of it.

I will present every party currently in our Parliament, from farthest left to farthest right, and tell you a little about them.

I will first give the best translation of party name, then the Norwegian name and then the literal translation, and then where they are considered to be in the political landscape, like this :

Party Name (Norwegian Name / Literal Translation) Center

Also, all Norwegian parties have a youth organization, and if they differ from their mother-parties, I will tell a bit about them as well, as they are in many ways important, being the main recruitment and training ground for the parties.

The Socialist Party (Sosialistisk Venstreparti / Socialist Left Party) Far Left

Founded by ex-Labor politicians who left the party because they disagreed with the foreign policy, especially regarding NATO and USA. Once a revolutionary party, after the cold war ended it has slowly moved towards center, and can in many ways now be regarded as socialdemocratic, in that they aren't revolutionary anymore but want to turn the country socialistic through reforms.

Their youth organization, Socialist Youth, is quite a bit further to the left than the main party, and still call themselves revolutionary.

Being socialists, they favor strong welfare policies funded through taxation on both private and commercial income, especially rich people and 'big business'.

The party is anti-USA, anti-NATO, anti-EU and anti-Israel.

Labor (Arbeiderpartiet / Labor Party) Left

Modern social democratic party, comparable to UK's Labour. Labor has been in power through most of post-WW2 Norway, and they're responsible for building the welfare state that is Norway today. The party also has close ties to, and is funded heavily by, Norway's largest labor union, that organizes almost all the workers in the country. Although they have lost power the last decades, it's still Norway's largest party.

Their youth organization, Labor Youth Foundation, is much farther left than their mother party, and is anti-EU.

Labor is pro-USA and pro-NATO, and is also responsible to our good ties with both after WW2. Traditionally, they've also been pro-Israel, but the relationship has cooled the last years. They're also the biggest pro-EU party.

The Center Party (Senterpartiet / Center Party) Left leaning center

Formerly the Farmer Party, the Center Party is a party without an ideological platform, and their main issues are farmer rights, rural politics, decentralization and agricultural protectionism.

The Center Party is the biggest anti-EU party.

The Liberal Party (Venstre / Left) Center

Norway's oldest party calls itself social liberal, which means liberal with heavy emphasis on welfare systems. They're also environmentalists. However, they differ from the socialists on believeing in the liberal market economy.

The party was long undecided on the EU-matter, but are now anti-EU, but will let each parliament member vote individually if the matter is ever brought forward in the parliament.

Christian Democratic Party (Kristelig Folkeparti / Christian People's Party) Right leaning center

A Christian values party, placed in the political center of Norwegian politics, their main issues are anti-alcohol legislation, pro-life, fight agains domestic and abroad poverty and keeping Christian values in school. They're also for the seperation of church and state, because they dislike parliament dictating state church policy.

Note that they're the only pro-life party, and is not fighting activly for it as they know it's a lost cause.

They're anti-EU and pro-Israel.

The Conservative Party (Høyre / Right) Right

Norway's second oldest party, and although it calls itself conservative, I don't think many Americans would recognize it as such, since it has moved slightly towards center and has a major liberal wing. Their main issues are less taxation on private and commercial income and privatization to compete with governmental welfare institutions and education. Their main 'non-conservative' issues are pro-gay marriage and gay-adoptions rights.

Their youth organization, Young Conservatives (Young Right), is far more liberal than their mother party.

The party is one of two pro-EU parties, together with Labor.

The Progress Party (Fremskrittspartiet / The Progress Party) Outer Space

Another party without ideological foundation, the Progress Party is in some areas socialists (for subsidizing industry, for heavy welfare systems), other areas liberal (less taxes and the liberalization of the alcohol policies) and conservative in some (anti-gay rights, Christian values). It is at times hard to say where the party stands on different issues, because they keep changing to fit popular opinions. They're also somewhat nationalistic, and is anti-immigration and very sceptical towards Islam.

They're also known to have 'cleaning' actions within the party, throwing out those that don't agree with the party leadership.

Their youth organization, Progress Party Youth, is a liberal organization.






So there you have it, a wide and diverse group of parties, where it's easier to find your own politics than within a de facto two-party system.

The best example of difference I can find, is that you can vote on Christian values without overflowing the Conservative Party with religious nutcases :D

If you have questions about specific issues, I'd be happy to explain further.
 
Ryokan said:
The Conservative Party (Høyre / Right) Right

Norway's second oldest party, and although it calls itself conservative, I don't think many Americans would recognize it as such, since it has moved slightly towards center and has a major liberal wing. Their main issues are less taxation on private and commercial income and privatization to compete with governmental welfare institutions and education. Their main 'non-conservative' issues are pro-gay marriage and gay-adoptions rights.

Their youth organization, Young Conservatives (Young Right), is far more liberal than their mother party.

The party is one of two pro-EU parties, together with Labor.


If you have questions about specific issues, I'd be happy to explain further. [/B]
Yeah, I got a question. You guys taking immigrants? I think I found home! :)

Seriously, though, thanks for the tutorial. I'm a Dummy about many things and Norwegian politics definitely is one of them. I appreciate the opportunity to learn something today.

Y'all got golf courses up there?
 
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manny said:

Y'all got golf courses up there?

Haha, a few here and there, if you don't mind playing on tundra and do mind not to hit the polar bears :D
 
Hell, compared to golfing in the Bronx Polar Bears don't even rate a free drop! ;)
 
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Ryokan said:
Haha, a few here and there, if you don't mind playing on tundra and do mind not to hit the polar bears :D

Whats the penalty for hitting a polar bear...2 strokes, stroke and distance, play it as it lies???
 
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The Fool said:
Whats the penalty for hitting a polar bear...2 strokes, stroke and distance, play it as it lies???

I think it's more in the line of getting ripped to shreds.

Edit : Typo
 
Ryokan said:
In my thread about Norway's latest election, the question about European political diversity vs American political dualism came up, so I thought I'd make a post where Americans could see the diversity of Norwegian politics and the advantages of it.

I will present every party currently in our Parliament, from farthest left to farthest right, and tell you a little about them.

I will first give the best translation of party name, then the Norwegian name and then the literal translation, and then where they are considered to be in the political landscape, like this :

Party Name (Norwegian Name / Literal Translation) Center

Also, all Norwegian parties have a youth organization, and if they differ from their mother-parties, I will tell a bit about them as well, as they are in many ways important, being the main recruitment and training ground for the parties.

The Socialist Party (Sosialistisk Venstreparti / Socialist Left Party) Far Left

Founded by ex-Labor politicians who left the party because they disagreed with the foreign policy, especially regarding NATO and USA. Once a revolutionary party, after the cold war ended it has slowly moved towards center, and can in many ways now be regarded as socialdemocratic, in that they aren't revolutionary anymore but want to turn the country socialistic through reforms.

Their youth organization, Socialist Youth, is quite a bit further to the left than the main party, and still call themselves revolutionary.

Being socialists, they favor strong welfare policies funded through taxation on both private and commercial income, especially rich people and 'big business'.

The party is anti-USA, anti-NATO, anti-EU and anti-Israel.

Labor (Arbeiderpartiet / Labor Party) Left

Modern social democratic party, comparable to UK's Labour. Labor has been in power through most of post-WW2 Norway, and they're responsible for building the welfare state that is Norway today. The party also has close ties to, and is funded heavily by, Norway's largest labor union, that organizes almost all the workers in the country. Although they have lost power the last decades, it's still Norway's largest party.

Their youth organization, Labor Youth Foundation, is much farther left than their mother party, and is anti-EU.

Labor is pro-USA and pro-NATO, and is also responsible to our good ties with both after WW2. Traditionally, they've also been pro-Israel, but the relationship has cooled the last years. They're also the biggest pro-EU party.

The Center Party (Senterpartiet / Center Party) Left leaning center

Formerly the Farmer Party, the Center Party is a party without an ideological platform, and their main issues are farmer rights, rural politics, decentralization and agricultural protectionism.

The Center Party is the biggest anti-EU party.

The Liberal Party (Venstre / Left) Center

Norway's oldest party calls itself social liberal, which means liberal with heavy emphasis on welfare systems. They're also environmentalists. However, they differ from the socialists on believeing in the liberal market economy.

The party was long undecided on the EU-matter, but are now anti-EU, but will let each parliament member vote individually if the matter is ever brought forward in the parliament.

Christian Democratic Party (Kristelig Folkeparti / Christian People's Party) Right leaning center

A Christian values party, placed in the political center of Norwegian politics, their main issues are anti-alcohol legislation, pro-life, fight agains domestic and abroad poverty and keeping Christian values in school. They're also for the seperation of church and state, because they dislike parliament dictating state church policy.

Note that they're the only pro-life party, and is not fighting activly for it as they know it's a lost cause.

They're anti-EU and pro-Israel.

The Conservative Party (Høyre / Right) Right

Norway's second oldest party, and although it calls itself conservative, I don't think many Americans would recognize it as such, since it has moved slightly towards center and has a major liberal wing. Their main issues are less taxation on private and commercial income and privatization to compete with governmental welfare institutions and education. Their main 'non-conservative' issues are pro-gay marriage and gay-adoptions rights.

Their youth organization, Young Conservatives (Young Right), is far more liberal than their mother party.

The party is one of two pro-EU parties, together with Labor.

The Progress Party (Fremskrittspartiet / The Progress Party) Outer Space

Another party without ideological foundation, the Progress Party is in some areas socialists (for subsidizing industry, for heavy welfare systems), other areas liberal (less taxes and the liberalization of the alcohol policies) and conservative in some (anti-gay rights, Christian values). It is at times hard to say where the party stands on different issues, because they keep changing to fit popular opinions. They're also somewhat nationalistic, and is anti-immigration and very sceptical towards Islam.

They're also known to have 'cleaning' actions within the party, throwing out those that don't agree with the party leadership.

Their youth organization, Progress Party Youth, is a liberal organization.






So there you have it, a wide and diverse group of parties, where it's easier to find your own politics than within a de facto two-party system.

The best example of difference I can find, is that you can vote on Christian values without overflowing the Conservative Party with religious nutcases :D

If you have questions about specific issues, I'd be happy to explain further.

Is there sort of a de facto two-party system?

I mean that no party seems strong enough to have a majority on its own. Right?

So they are forced to make coalitions to govern.
Won't you inevitably have the more right-wing vs. the left-wing coalition?

Just wondering...
 
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Mike B. said:
Is there sort of a de facto two-party system?

I mean that no party seems strong enough to have a majority on its own. Right?

So they are forced to make coalitions to govern.
Won't you inevitably have the more right-wing vs. the left-wing coalition?

Just wondering...

I was also wondering that. The U.S.A. actually has several other political parties: Green, Libertarian, Constitution, etc. It's just that the Democrats and Republicans are much, much more dominant than the others.

Anyway, thanks for the education, Ryokan. I've never known anything about Norwegian politics. Hell, I don't even know where Norwegia is. ;)


Edited to keep myself from appearing illiterate.
 
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Mike B. said:
Is there sort of a de facto two-party system?

I mean that no party seems strong enough to have a majority on its own. Right?

So they are forced to make coalitions to govern.
Won't you inevitably have the more right-wing vs. the left-wing coalition?

Sometimes, and sometimes not, all depending on the votes. The most common situation is a minority administration (a party or parties that don't have majority in parliament, but has backing from the majority). This means the administration has to negiotiate with all the other parties to gain parliament majority for their policies.

Two very good examples are the Labor administrations we've had for most of the time since WW2, and our current coalition administration from The Christian Democrats, The Liberals and the Conservatives.

Although Labor almost always since WW2 ha been Norway's biggest party, they've rarely been in majority. Most of the time they've found majority backing in the parliament, however, from parties both to their left (The Socialist Party) and from the right (The Center Party and the Christian Democrats). In case by base negotiations, they've even had backings on several issues by the Conservative Party.

Our current administration of The Christian Democrats, Liberal Party and the Conservative Party didn't have majority in parliament, either, but had the backing of the Progress Party. However, this made the Labor Party very willing to negotiate policies in parliament, and whenever the Progress Party demanded too much, the administration went to Labor instead.

The new administration, coming into power next month, however, is a majority administration of the Socialist Party, Labor and the Center Party, so they don't need to find majority in the parliament because they are the majority. But to keep the coalition together, they will have to find common ground, and that means the policies can't be too far to the left or to the center.

Also note that this is the first time we've had a majority administration consisting of the entire left of Norwegian politics, so no one really has any experience how it will go. Many don't think an administration like that can hold out for four years, and is bound to fall. If that happens, a new administration must find backing in the parliament.

So you see, we're far from a two party system, and negotiations and compromises is the name of the game. This ensures that as many as possible have a say in the way the country is governed.
 
Luke T. said:
How about a brief history of Norway?
How brief?

CIA world factbook:

Two centuries of Viking raids into Europe tapered off following the adoption of Christianity by King Olav TRYGGVASON in 994. Conversion of the Norwegian kingdom occurred over the next several decades. In 1397, Norway was absorbed into a union with Denmark that was to last for more than four centuries. In 1814, Norwegians resisted the cession of their country to Sweden and adopted a new constitution. Sweden then invaded Norway but agreed to let Norway keep its constitution in return for accepting the union under a Swedish king. Rising nationalism throughout the 19th century led to a 1905 referendum granting Norway independence. Norway remained neutral in World War I and proclaimed its neutrality at the outset of World War II. Nevertheless, it was not able to avoid a five-year occupation by Nazi Germany (1940-1945). In 1949, neutrality was abandoned and Norway became a member of NATO. Discovery of oil and gas in adjacent waters in the late 1960s boosted Norway's economic fortunes. The current focus is on containing spending on the extensive welfare system and planning for the time when petroleum reserves are depleted. In referenda held in 1972 and 1994, Norway rejected joining the EU.
Or a bit more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Norway
 
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Ryokan said:
Although Labor almost always since WW2 ha been Norway's biggest party, they've rarely been in majority.

...snip...

Also note that this is the first time we've had a majority administration consisting of the entire left of Norwegian politics, so no one really has any experience how it will go.
Well, Norway had a long string of Labour Party majority governments ....

Until the 1981 election, Norway had been governed by majority Labor Party governments since 1935, except for three periods (1963, 1965-71, and 1972-73). The Labor Party lost its majority in the Storting in the 1981 elections.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3421.htm
 
The U.S.A. actually has several other political parties: Green, Libertarian, Constitution, etc. It's just that the Democrats and Republicans are much, much more dominant than the others.

The Green party is the only major leftist party and is extremely weak and un funded. They don't have anyone in the US Congress to my knowledge. The last candidate they ran got about 2 percent of the presidential vote.

There's no religious party. The Christians have joined the Republicans and try to force their policies on them. There's only 2 parties running everything.

In American politics you discuss factions and branches of 2 parties, there are far right wing Republicans, centrist and left. There are rightist Democrats, centers and the far socialist/marxist left. There's no discussions of separate parties for the obvious reason that there aren't any. Today the farther right and Christians are in prominence in the Republicans - tomorrow it's someone else. It goes back and forth.
 
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Bjorn said:
Well, Norway had a long string of Labour Party majority governments ....

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3421.htm

Yes, Labor HAS had majority administrations, but they were more common in the two first decades after WW2.

And as for the US Green Party, in Europe they would be a center party at best, not a leftist party.
 
Luke T. said:
Cool. I now know where the word "quisling" came from!

Fun fact : Vidkun Quisling was once the Minister of Agriculture for the Center Party ;)
 
jay gw said:

There's no religious party.


Take a gander at the Constitution Party's web site. Their mission statement:

quote:
"The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations." (emphasis mine)

Thank Ed these people don't have any real power.
 
Take a gander at the Constitution Party's web site. Their mission statement:

Never heard of them and they don't have anyone in Congress. As soon as the founders of most 3rd parties die or get bored, the parties dissolve. It's happened too many times to count.
 
jay gw said:
Never heard of them and they don't have anyone in Congress. As soon as the founders of most 3rd parties die or get bored, the parties dissolve. It's happened too many times to count.

I don't know of any offices held by anyone in this party, though they had a candidate on the presidential ballot in the last election. I just mean to say that there are a few other parties out there, and I would personally like to see some more parties become competitive here in the U.S. I envy Norways variety of choices.
 

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