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Norwegian mass murderer Breivic sues Norway - You're being mean to me

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He has a point I suppose.

Cold Coffee and lack of butter makes me mad too

http://rt.com/news/231427-breivik-norway-isolation-lawsuit/

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Norwegian mass murderer Breivik to sue Norway, calls isolation ‘torture’

Lawyers for Anders Breivik, the Norwegian extremist and mass murderer, say their client intends to file a lawsuit against Norway’s Ministry of Justice, claiming that his solitary confinement is a “form of torture.”

“We are preparing a lawsuit against the government at the Ministry of Justice,” Breivik’s lawyer, Geir Lippestad, told Norway's Dagbladet newspaper. “The central part of the lawsuit is that he is in practice still sitting in solitary confinement, and that this is the time that it should cease.”..............


..........In November 2012, the public got some idea as to the conditions inside of the Norwegian prison system when Breivik sent a 27-page letter to prison authorities with a list of complaints ranging from the institutions “cold coffee and a lack of butter,” to being forced to play “outdated video games.”
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He does have a point when it comes to isolation. Using solitary confinement is not allowed as a punishment in Norway, and could be defined as torture according to the European Convention on Human Rights.

However, Breivik's isolation isn't what most people would recognize as isolation. He isn't sitting alone all day in a small cell. In effect, he has a mini prison to himself, and can socialize with the prison guards (Which is normal in Norwegian prisons, prisoners and unarmed guards forming a community) and with his lawyers or volunteer workers. He isn't alone. He also has access to books and gaming consoles. The only people he's isolated from are the other inmates. Even his lawyers don't claim he's in isolation, but that he is 'in practice' in isolation.

The reason why he's separated from the rest of the prison population is two-fold. His own safety is one of them, but primarily it's his stated goal of using prison as a recruiting ground for his terrorist organization.

He is, of course, IMO, welcome to try his case if he wants to.
 
Says he's going to try and recruit other prisoners to commit terrorist acts.
Moans when he's separated from other prisoners.
I think I can see where he went wrong.
 
cullennz said:
He would be pretty quickly if the put him with the others.
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I'm not so sure this is the case, considering it's a Norwegian prison. I don't think there's the same prison culture there that would lead to other prisoners assaulting him.

I could be wrong, though.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
I'm not so sure this is the case, considering it's a Norwegian prison. I don't think there's the same prison culture there that would lead to other prisoners assaulting him.

I could be wrong, though.
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I don't think so - Ryokan will undoubtedly spell it out, but my impression is that Norway views Oz as a cautionary tale, whereas we see it as a how-to guide. :p
 
Reminds me of scene from "Let's Go to Prison"

(after the two are locked in their prison cell)

Nelson Biederman IV: [Long silence] So now what do we do?

John Lyshitski: Hmm?

[pause]

John Lyshitski: What do you mean?

Nelson Biederman IV: What do I mean? I mean, what are we... what are we supposed to *do*?

John Lyshitski: We're doin' it, man. This is it. We're right in the thick of the action. We hang out here, go to lunch, come back, hang out some more, go to dinner... You know how someone might describe a situation that's unpleasant or confining as being, "like a prison"?

Nelson Biederman IV: [pause] Yeah.

John Lyshitski: This is what they were referring to.
 
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I'm against the death penalty, even for this man. He needs to pay his debt to society, and he can't do that when he's dead.
 
We discussed all this at the time he was convicted, and the hope that he might eventually realise what a heinous thing he had done, and feel remorse, was frequently expressed.
 
arthwollipot said:
I'm against the death penalty, even for this man. He needs to pay his debt to society, and he can't do that when he's dead.
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I'm against it too, but I don't really see any way that he can "pay his debt to society" or even what it means.

Rolfe said:
We discussed all this at the time he was convicted, and the hope that he might eventually realise what a heinous thing he had done, and feel remorse, was frequently expressed.
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Maybe he will, or maybe he will just become some freaky celebrity prisoner like Charles Manson.
 
arthwollipot said:
I'm against the death penalty, even for this man. He needs to pay his debt to society, and he can't do that when he's dead.
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I'm against the death penalty for other reasons (namely the chance of wrongful execution)...

But, your argument that he needs to "pay his debt to society" is only relevant if he finds incarceration worse than the alternative of death. He may not necessarily like being in jail, but he still might get some pleasure during his time... (he does have access to video games, and he might continue the delusion that he somehow matters.)
 
So what you're telling me is that if I move to Norway and shoot up a few houses, I get free housing, free coffee, don't need to work or interact with anyone I don't want to, and I can play Super Mario World all day, every day?

Maybe I'll finally be able to beat Star World.
 
Lutefisk is not the topic; Breivik, his prison conditions, his lawsuit, and the Norwegian attitude to crime and punishment are. Stay on topic and don't make me put my mod hat on again, please.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
Nonpareil said:
So what you're telling me is that if I move to Norway and shoot up a few houses, I get free housing, free coffee, don't need to work or interact with anyone I don't want to, and I can play Super Mario World all day, every day?

Maybe I'll finally be able to beat Star World.
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I hear this so many times... Yet no one actually does it. Why do you think that is?
 
Because Norway's immigration requirements are insane; for example, you have to transfer upwards of $15,000 into a Norwegian bank and already have gotten a job in Norway before they'll give you a residence permit.

As an aside, beating the Star World - and the secret world beyond it - are totally worth the effort it takes.
 
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Checkmite said:
Because Norway's immigration requirements are insane; for example, you have to transfer upwards of $15,000 into a Norwegian bank and already have gotten a job in Norway before they'll give you a residence permit.
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You don't need to take up residence for that scheme. You only have to get a tourist visa.
 
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