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NorCal JREF get-together with Ian Rowland

Quinn

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Attention anyone in or near the Bay Area: I recently got an email from noted mentalist and skeptic Ian Rowland, saying he'll be visiting San Francisco in the near future. I asked if he would be interested joining a group of local JREFers for dinner and conversation, and he graciously obliged. So I would like to officially announce plans for the next NorCal JREF get-together, with Mr. Rowland as our guest of honor. :) :) :)

He'll be in town from June 30 through July 8, but he said he's still working out his schedule and doesn't yet know when the best day would be. In the meantime, all those who would like to attend, speak up and let us know which of those days are best for you. Obviously Ian's schedule will take precedence, but in the event he has more than one evening open to choose from, we'll go with the one that can accomodate the most people. The location has yet to be determined, but will likely be somewhere in San Francisco proper since that's where he's staying.

For those who aren't familiar with the name Ian Rowland, he is a world-class mentalist and magician from England, and a champion of the skeptic cause. He wrote The Full Facts Book of Cold Reading, which is widely considered the bible of the subject and has made life more difficult for many "psychic" readers. He also performed the much talked-about cold reading demonstration on ABC's Primetime last year, which earned him a good deal of wrath from those who would rather keep the public in the dark about such things. In addition, he's also one of the world's foremost experts on spoon bending. For a sample of his writing and his outlook, take a look at this essay comparing John Edward transcripts to known cold reading techniques. While I've never met him in person, my small bit of correspondence with him as well as everything I've ever read by or about him (including the hysterical tirades leveled against him by other, lesser mentalists and "readers" after his cold reading demo) indicate that he's a charming, witty, cordial, talented man whom any skeptic would be delighted to spend an evening with.

So, who's in?

Quinn
 
Quinn said:
While I've never met him in person, my small bit of correspondence with him as well as everything I've ever read by or about him (including the hysterical tirades leveled against him by other, lesser mentalists and "readers" after his cold reading demo) indicate that he's a charming, witty, cordial, talented man whom any skeptic would be delighted to spend an evening with.

I was lucky enough to meet him at a lecture in April, and can confirm all the above. If you get a chance to go along, don't miss it!
 
Quinn

Quinn, I see that you have quite a number of posts, and yet I can scarcely recall seeing any of them. In any event, welcome to The James Randi Educational Foundation!
 
Re: Quinn

Jesse said:
Quinn, I see that you have quite a number of posts, and yet I can scarcely recall seeing any of them. In any event, welcome to The James Randi Educational Foundation!

Hey! I thought you'd been suspended :confused:

Anyway, a timely bump for Quinn's get-together.
 
Shameless bump in an effort to keep the thread afloat amongst all the drama in here.

KB, glad you're in. Other NorCal people, where y'at?

Jesse, thanks. It's always nice to be welcomed to a place you've been hanging around for for a year and a half. :D Guess I've been busy and not posting much in the couple weeks since you've joined us.

Quinn
 
Quinn said:
Shameless bump in an effort to keep the thread afloat amongst all the drama in here.

KB, glad you're in. Other NorCal people, where y'at?

Aptos, dude. I've met you at both G6 arranged gatherings.
 
Boulder Creek here. Kookbreaker, maybe you and I can carpool, assuming you don't mind traveling Highway 9.

Monday and Wednesday are best for me.
 
Well, you're lucky in SF, but us So Californians don't need to miss out completely.

After Rowland's appearance cold reading on PrimeTime last year, he said he hoped to do a lecture/demo at Caltech. Apparently, he's got that scheduled in June here in Pasadena:

Sun June 22nd - I'm giving a public lecture at Caltech "Mind power - fact, fiction and fakery". Info and tickets: see Michael Shermer at the Skeptics Society, email 'SKEPTICMAG@aol.com' or phone (626) 794-3119. Only a small fee at the door.
 
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Okay, I'll be there. (I don't know what days I can attend, but I'll be there for part of it at least!)

And in case you didn't get the point, Quinn:

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As far as Rowland's being a "champion of the skeptic cause" this could be debatable. He certainly plays the role of skeptic, but not the "organized skeptic", as I have termed previously. He states in the link provided by Quinn that he does not tend to agree with the styles adopted by CSICOP or Skeptic magazine( and in fact makes reference to CSICOP's Mars Effect debactle). As a mentalist, though, he is aware of the vast amount of trickery that could be performed on the public. He seems to be a "loner" of sorts, and his approach, and his willingness to actually serve as a control "cold reader" is far more valuable than any heresey I see in the previously mentioned magazines.
 
dharlow: his willingness to actually serve as a control "cold reader" is far more valuable than any heresey I see in the previously mentioned magazines ....

Where and with whom has he served as a control for cold reading? Thanks.
 
Steve,

He did it on the ABC special. Now you can debate about the logistics of control, and how "well" he did, but he took a stand, did his performance, and took a lot of heat from it from the mentalist (psychic entertainer) community. I respect him for that. Regardless of his performance, he performed what many on this forum promote as an unfalsifiable hypothesis. I dare not bring up my thread to show how many here are ignorant of this technique, from Tvtalk about Jamy Ian Swiss' performance at the Amazing Meeting, do I?
 
I thought you meant he served as a control for cold reading in an experimental study of puportedly genuine mediums and did as well. In this example, as I recall, he was really not pitted against purportedly genuine mediums but rather, against some of the sitter's credulity. My vision of "serving as a control" would be to have him and a purportedly genuine medium read a series of sitters who then rate each as to accuracy. Has he ever done this?

Thanks....
 
SteveGrenard said:
My vision of "serving as a control" would be to have him and a purportedly genuine medium read a series of sitters who then rate each as to accuracy. Has he ever done this?

Has anyone, in any study?
 
I'd be interested depending on the date. Can't do it on July 6th or 8th due to Fleetwood Mac concerts, but don't schedule around me.
 
All right, I'm glad there's so much interest.

Kookbreaker, sure I remember you. My "where y'at?" was directed at the other NorCalers who I knew were out there but hadn't responded yet.

Roadtoad, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you in or not? ;)

RC, I'll see what we can do to work around your (multiple?) Fleetwood Mac concerts.

This should be great! I'm looking forward to meething those of you who haven't been to one of the get-togethers yet. I'll keep the board informed as things develop.

Quinn
 

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