NORAD Tapes

[Spins]

It was definitely one of the hijackers. That it was Atta or any other Arab is pure conjecture. That hijackers smart enough to subdue eight pilots-- using only knives, without any of those pilots being able to alert ATC in any way-- and then turn off the transponders...... were then dumb enough to broadcast a message over the frequency that was meant for the cabin.... then doing this on at least two of the flights......

I don't believe it. I believe the messages were broadcast by the real hijackers, who were not Arabs, but broadcast them intentionally over the freq while trying to sound like Arabs-- for the purpose of framing Arabs for the hijackings.

But this is off topic...

PS to Reheat: Who the H*** is "Robbie"?

For any lurkers this the audio of what I consider to be Mohammed Atta from Flight 11, you can verify it against the transmissions I'd posted before here, note the confused response of the Boston controller (remember this was the first hijacking) this is the reason they got a quality assurance specialist to "pull the tape" of the radio transmission, listen to it closely, and report back.

 

[Corsair 115]

True, it does happen-- but very infrequently. On 9/11 it happened twice on AAL11 and at least once on UAL93.

See post #204:

It would be reasonable to conclude that good knowledge of the radio and comms system aboard the aircraft was not high on the hijackers' list of priorities. Really, why would they need it?

And just how do a handful of camel jockeys suddenly find themselves standing behind the seated pilots of an airliner, without those pilots being aware of their presence?

I again refer you to the case of FedEx Flight 705. The attacker was able to enter the cockpit withouth the pilot hearing it; indeed, his first realization that something was happening was from the sound of the blows landing on his comrades and their cries of pain.

I'll let the somewhat racist tone of the first part of your statement go without comment.

At the very least the pilots would have been facing the intruders and would have been able to fend off the knives with their hands and arms-- a very messy melee would have ensued.

Have you ever been in a cockpit? It is not a roomy place. The pilots are sitting strapped into their seats, and the seats are well forward. There is an instrument panel between the seats which you have to maneuver around in order to get into and out of the seats.

A pilot strapped into his seat is actually quite vulnerable. He can't turn around easily, and he can't get out easily.

Also, I'll refer you again to the case of FedEx Flight 705.

 

[A-Train]

The actual scramble orders would be issued to the Duty Officer at the base, not to the pilots themselves.... I explained that NEADS were. In the NORAD tapes the pilots can be heard numerous times communicating directly with Major Fox. This is not to say that NEADS staff personally told them to take off - the pilots are scrambled by the light on the alert barn turning from red to green, which in turn is done by staff at the base.

Does anyone know who the Duty Officer was at Langley? Michael Bronner in his Vanity Fair article suggests someone at Langley forgot to tell the fighters which way to go:

The Langley fighters were headed the wrong way—due east, straight out to sea into a military-training airspace called Whiskey 386, rather than toward Washington, which neads believed was under attack. According to the 9/11 commission, the Langley pilots were never briefed by anyone at their base about why they were being scrambled, so, despite having been given the order from neads to fly to Washington, the pilots ended up following their normal training flight plan out to sea—a flight plan dating from the Cold War. Vanity Fair

Did NEADS tell Langley to head the fighters toward Washington, and the Langley Duty Officer simply forgot to head them there? Wouldn't that earn this Duty Officer a quick court martial and twenty years at Leavenworth?

Do the NORAD tapes include the communications from NEADS (Maj. James Fox?) to Langley? Do they include the communications from the Langley controllers to the fighters?

I bring this up because in the conversation between Huckabone and the Navy ATC, the Navy guy clearly seems to believe it was NEADS who have sent the planes East:

09:34:12
NAVY A.T.C.: You've got [the fighters] moving east in airspace. Now you want 'em to go to Baltimore?
HUCKABONE: Yes, sir. We're not gonna take 'em in Whiskey 386 [military training airspace over the ocean].
NAVY A.T.C.: O.K., once he goes to Baltimore, what are we supposed to do?
HUCKABONE: Have him contact us on auxiliary frequency 2-3-4 decimal 6. Instead of taking handoffs to us and us handing 'em back, just tell Center they've got to go to Baltimore.

 

[Reheat]

If Huckabone knew about AA77 WHY DID HE ASK GIANT KILLER TO SEND THE FIGHTERS TO BALTIMORE?

 

[Big Les]

I think you need the original recording to get the vocal emphasis. With the neutrality of transcription you could just as easily read the "You've got" as "One has" or "We have" or just plain "They are".

 

[Reheat]

The Langley fighters were headed the wrong way—due east, straight out to sea into a military-training airspace called Whiskey 386, rather than toward Washington, which neads believed was under attack. According to the 9/11 commission, the Langley pilots were never briefed by anyone at their base about why they were being scrambled, so, despite having been given the order from neads to fly to Washington, the pilots ended up following their normal training flight plan out to sea—a flight plan dating from the Cold War. Vanity Fair

You just keep getting it wrong! Again and again and again.

Here's what the 9/11 commission really said:

The Langley fighters were heading east, not north, for three reasons. First, unlike a normal scramble order, this order did not include a distance to the target or the target's location. Second, a "generic" flight plan-prepared to get the aircraft airborne and out of local airspace quickly-incorrectly led the Langley fighters to believe they were ordered to fly due east (090) for 60 miles. Third, the lead pilot and local FAA controller incorrectly assumed the flight plan instruction to go "090 for 60" superseded the original scramble order.153

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

By the time NEADS noticed the Fighters east bound, my calculations indicate they had traveled about 30 miles when Huckabone asked Giant Killer to turn them toward Baltimore.

BTW, the local FAA controller referred to above would have been Norfolk Departure Control who would later hand off the Fighters to Giant Killer, the Navy controller referred to later.

....more useless garbage.....

I think you need the original recording to get the vocal emphasis. With the neutrality of transcription you could just as easily read the "You've got" as "One has" or "We have" or just plain "They are".

Typical tactic. He thinks no one will notice HIS BOLDING and HIS INTREPRETATION of what was said and how it was said.

Hay A-Train,

If Huckabone knew about AA77 WHY DID HE ASK GIANT KILLER TO SEND THE FIGHTERS TO BALTIMORE?

 

[Myriad]

Shanksville is ENE of Camp David.

Not particularly close to Camp David, but not that far either, at jet speeds.

So, how plausible is it that military personnel, dealing with an event that included an attack on Washington DC, would use Camp David as the nearest reference point to Shanksville, as opposed to say Pittsburgh that was a bit closer but in the opposite direction from where the plane was heading? Seems pretty plausible to me. There's not much else of strategic interest in between.

Someone has brought to my attention that my previous post quoted above is wrong. As best I can determine, Shanksville PA is WNW of Camp David, not ENE.

I did check it on a map before posting the above, but when I did so I must have transposed east and west in my mind, or made some other similarly careless and stupid mistake. I apologize to all correspondents and readers of this thread for the inadvertent misinformation.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[beachnut]

Someone has brought to my attention that my previous post quoted above is wrong. As best I can determine, Shanksville PA is WNW of Camp David, not ENE.

I did check it on a map before posting the above, but when I did so I must have transposed east and west in my mind, or made some other similarly careless and stupid mistake. I apologize to all correspondents and readers of this thread for the inadvertent misinformation.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Getting the direction wrong, by anyone, has nothing to do with any 9/11 truth junk. And if there were miss statements on 9/11, the truthers tend to use the errors (which they can not even figure out, one way or another) and build more CT junk.

 

[JimBenArm]

Someone has brought to my attention that my previous post quoted above is wrong. As best I can determine, Shanksville PA is WNW of Camp David, not ENE.

I did check it on a map before posting the above, but when I did so I must have transposed east and west in my mind, or made some other similarly careless and stupid mistake. I apologize to all correspondents and readers of this thread for the inadvertent misinformation.

Respectfully,
Myriad

I'm sorry, but your blatant attempt at disinformation can't be explained away by such hand-waving! You are an obvious shill, and will stand for your crimes! Unless you're sitting...

 

[Reheat]

It's been awfully quiet about the tapes since they were downloaded several days ago. This is the only noteworthy item that I've seen about them. I wonder why?

There must be evidence of a NORAD Stand up or Speed Up, maybe!

This series of tapes prove the existence of the "Phantom AA11"!

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=8845

 

[Digest]

well - as I have had time - I have listened to them (all thoug its all very interesting its nothing we havent already known- aside from the individual attempts of these men to protect their country.

my plans of transcribing them is a little side tracked being that I am getting redeployed - but i am going to take them over on a thumbdrive - trust me some-night get pretty boring and having something to do will be a godsend. If i can figure out how to load them ontop my mp3 plaer it would be even better!

My guess is since there is no blatent oreder to fire missiles at the pentagon - these will be accused of being fake/edited or the like -" if it dont match my story it cant be the truth!!!" true believes dont doubt...

 

[Reheat]

aside from the individual attempts of these men to protect their country.

You're being a sexist, you know!

There was more than one female at NEADS and one of the F-16 pilots from Andrews was female.

ETA: Thanks for doing the transcripts as you have time. That will be much appreciated.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

If i can figure out how to load them ontop my mp3 plaer it would be even better!

im converting them to mp3, as well as trying to make them a bit smaller, i should have them done tomorrow morning and can send you a download link if you like

 

[A-Train]

There was more than one female at NEADS....

I noticed Major James Fox appears in the film United 93, portraying himself. Shawna Fox also appears in the film as herself- "Staff Sgt. Shawna Fox."

Perhaps they are married?

 

[PhantomWolf]

I noticed Major James Fox appears in the film United 93, portraying himself. Shawna Fox also appears in the film as herself- "Staff Sgt. Shawna Fox."

Perhaps they are married?

extremely unlikely considering the US military regulations against fraternisation and chain of command relationships.

 

[ref]

well - as I have had time - I have listened to them (all thoug its all very interesting its nothing we havent already known- aside from the individual attempts of these men to protect their country.

my plans of transcribing them is a little side tracked being that I am getting redeployed - but i am going to take them over on a thumbdrive - trust me some-night get pretty boring and having something to do will be a godsend. If i can figure out how to load them ontop my mp3 plaer it would be even better!

My guess is since there is no blatent oreder to fire missiles at the pentagon - these will be accused of being fake/edited or the like -" if it dont match my story it cant be the truth!!!" true believes dont doubt...

Thanks for your efforts, Digest. And good luck with your redeployment.

I would think some will claim, that they released only the parts that showed no signs of a conspiracy. Why would they release the parts, that had some criminal information in them.

 

[gumboot]

It's been awfully quiet about the tapes since they were downloaded several days ago. This is the only noteworthy item that I've seen about them. I wonder why?

There must be evidence of a NORAD Stand up or Speed Up, maybe!

This series of tapes prove the existence of the "Phantom AA11"!

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=8845

Even listening to the tapes non stop there's a good five days worth of listening there. Add in toilet breaks, meal breaks, and some time to sleep...

Frankly they're so full of jargon (and the quality is so bad) I doubt anyone outside of NORAD could actually get anything much useful out of them. Not to mention the tracks are capturing only bits of the action. You'd really need to synch them all up and play all of them simultaneously to get a grasp of the situation.

I wonder how ProTools or Adobe Audition would manage running 18 6hr+ audio tracks at once. Synching them would be a nightmare in itself and quite possibly impossible.

-Gumboot

 

[Sabrina]

extremely unlikely considering the US military regulations against fraternisation and chain of command relationships.

Not necessarily. Many officers are prior enlisted (I know about twenty or thirty, although I'm not prior enlisted myself); it's entirely possible that they could have gotten married prior to him becoming an officer, which would, of necessity, negate that regulation.

This is assuming they ARE married of course. And it's also extremely likely that they wouldn't be in the same unit regardless, so the chain of command relationship is largely negated in that instance. Once again, assuming they ARE married.

 

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

So without going back through 6 pages... Anything come out of these 120/140 hours of tapes yet?

No voice of Dick Cheney whispering "Stand Down Upon Order of the Freemasons, Zionists and ME!"

 

[Reality Believer]

So without going back through 6 pages... Anything come out of these 120/140 hours of tapes yet?

No voice of Dick Cheney whispering "Stand Down Upon Order of the Freemasons, Zionists and ME!"

No stand down orders. There was talk of using an AIM-9's "in the face" if they had to shoot.

The largest concern is that CT's are going to misinterpret the jargon and hear something that isn't there, or misquote by replacing a few key words (already happened).