Nonviolent intifada?

Mycroft

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After checking the first page and seeing only two threads related to Israel and only 8 more dedicated to discussion on the Middle East, I figured it was time for another.

Source: Memri

Nonviolence and the Fate of the Peace Process in the Palestinian Media

Over the past three weeks, two issues that have captured interest in Palestinian politics were reflected in the Palestinian media. The first was a communique by Palestinian figures, among them Al-Quds University president Sari Nusseibah and former Palestinian ministers Hanan Ashrawi and Yasser Abed Rabbo, and Fatah members, calling for a nonviolent Intifada, and a counter-communique by Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades condemning the previous communiqué and calling it another initiative of surrender that serves the occupation.

The second was a speech by Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmad Qurei' (Abu Alaa) as he presented the quarterly report on his government's activity to the Palestinian Legislative Council. In his speech, Abu Alaa addressed such central issues as objections to attacks on Israeli civilians, a statement of adherence to the peace process, a qualified blessing for Israel's possible disengagement from Gaza, and conditions for peace with Israel, including a solution to the refugee problem according to United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194, as well as a statement of total opposition to the anarchy prevailing in the PA territories. The following are excerpts of the communiqué and response to it, and of Ahmad Qurei's speech:


Call for a Non-Violent Intifada

On March 27, 2004, over 100 Palestinians, among them public figures and Fatah members, published an announcement in the Palestinian Authority daily Al-Ayyam calling on the Palestinians to reawaken to a popular and non-violent Intifada even as they condemned the assassination five days earlier of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin.

This announcement was first published in the same paper on March 25, 2004, with 70 signatories, and at the time of this publication has 155 signatories: [1]

"We the undersigned, the sons of the Palestinian people, from various political, ideological, and social frameworks that are united in their struggle and steadfastness, condemn Israel's blatant aggression against our people, which was manifested a couple of days ago in the criminal and base act carried out by Sharon and his extreme right-wing gang that led to the martyr death of the leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and his freedom-fighting companions.

"[Even while] we stress the rights of our people, which have been confirmed by all the international treaties, [and stress our right] to use all means to defend our people, even if we explode from pain at the terrible tragedy, we call upon the sons of our people across the homeland to [do as] the national interest dictates: To take the initiative from the hands of the criminal occupation gang, to contain the rage, and to rise up again a non-violent Intifada of the masses, broad in scope, with clear goals and [a] sane message, to be initiated and led by our freedom-fighting people.

"[This Intifada] will make Sharon miss the opportunity to crown his aggression against our people and against the holy places with the final touches of his security plan.

"As we appeal [to make] this Intifada of unity a step toward reawakening to popular activity, purposeful and disciplined, with a clear program and [expected] political yield, we stress our commitment to our just and legitimate demands and to our rights. We call for the unification of the ranks, based on national unity and a united leadership resisting the occupation.

"Enough of the criminal assassination operations. Enough of the bloodshed. Enough of the occupation."

The signatories include:

Al-Quds University president Sari Nusseibah
Former PA minister Yasser Abed Rabbo
PA Minister for Women's Affairs Zuheira Kamal
Fatah Executive Committee Member Abbas Zaki
PA Communications and Technology Minister 'Azzam Al-Ahmad
 
Mycroft said:
After checking the first page and seeing only two threads related to Israel and only 8 more dedicated to discussion on the Middle East, I figured it was time for another.

Source: Memri

or you figured there was not enough Israeli sponsored propaganda? ZN off sick today so you though you would step in?

Memri is a propaganda organisation ....It spends its time trawling through Arabic newspapers for material that shows arabs in a bad light and furthers the zionist cause.

Pap reposted...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html
 
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Originally posted by The Fool
or you figured there was not enough Israeli sponsored propaganda? ZN off sick today so you though you would step in?

Memri is a propaganda organisation ....It spends its time trawling through Arabic newspapers for material that shows arabs in a bad light and furthers the zionist cause.

reposted...


You're incorrigible.

I posted the article because I think it reflects well on the Palestinian-Arabs. Looking past the rhetoric, it’s still a very positive move towards non-violent resistance. Will it catch on? I don’t know, but let’s hope so.

As for your anti-Memri article, one guy writing an editorial is hardly an iron-clad discrediting of the source.
 
How about you do a little reading about Memri and get back to us if you still feel its even remotely balanced...Its a propaganda machine of Israel. .....Many other wacko sites favoured by ZN use it as a souce of material suitable for fabrications and context twisting...at least you went straight to the source.... Maybe I should start posting electronic intifada articles to get an equal amount fo crap sites on both sides.
 
The Fool said:
How about you do a little reading about Memri and get back to us if you still feel its even remotely balanced...Its a propaganda machine of Israel. .....Many other wacko sites favoured by ZN use it as a souce of material suitable for fabrications and context twisting...at least you went straight to the source.... Maybe I should start posting electronic intifada articles to get an equal amount fo crap sites on both sides.

Already did.

Memri does have an editorial slant in that they do make a special effort to translate anti-Israel and anti-US articles in the Arab press. They do not, however, make things up. Frankly, what you read at Memri isn't so different from what you can read directly from the Arab press when they translate their own work into English.

Now, about the article:

Personally I think this call for a non-violent intifada is a very positive move, what do you think?
 
Mycroft said:


Already did.

Memri does have an editorial slant in that they do make a special effort to translate anti-Israel and anti-US articles in the Arab press. They do not, however, make things up. Frankly, what you read at Memri isn't so different from what you can read directly from the Arab press when they translate their own work into English.

Now, about the article:

Personally I think this call for a non-violent intifada is a very positive move, what do you think?

"NEWS FLASH!".

Arabs still pissed at creation of Israel. Now tell me something I didn't know. There are plenty of southerners still pissed that the North won, Slavs, Serbs and Bosnians who are pissed at everything that happened over the past 500 years, and still want to kill each other, Irish who hate each other, Scots who hate the English, Aboriginals and Indians who hate whitey. The list goes on and on. That's the problem with starting one of these things, it can take thousands of years for the hatred to die out.
 
a_unique_person said:


"NEWS FLASH!".

Arabs still pissed at creation of Israel. Now tell me something I didn't know. There are plenty of southerners still pissed that the North won, Slavs, Serbs and Bosnians who are pissed at everything that happened over the past 500 years, and still want to kill each other, Irish who hate each other, Scots who hate the English, Aboriginals and Indians who hate whitey. The list goes on and on. That's the problem with starting one of these things, it can take thousands of years for the hatred to die out.

Why are you poluting my thread with this off-topic nonsense?
 
Mycroft said:
After checking the first page and seeing only two threads related to Israel and only 8 more dedicated to discussion on the Middle East, I figured it was time for another.

Source: Memri

Nonviolent intifada? Never happen, at least not for long. Peaceful or violent what difference does it make, the goal is the same, the destruction of Israel?
We call for the unification of the ranks, based on national unity and a united leadership resisting the occupation.
 
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Outcast said:
Nonviolent intifada? Never happen, at least not for long. Peaceful or violent what difference does it make, the goal is the same, the destruction of Israel?

I don't get it. The violent destruction of Palestine is OK, but not Israel. And I still can't see how a bunch of untrained guys with home made rockets and small arms are going to destroy a country with nukes.
 
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a_unique_person said:


I don't get it. The violent destruction of Palestine is OK, but not Israel. And I still can't see how a bunch of untrained guys with home made rockets and small arms are going to destroy a country with nukes.
c'mon A_U_P they could get luck with one of those rocks they throw. Maybe American baseball teams should be scouting them for starting fastball pitchers?
 
Mycroft said:


Already did.

Memri does have an editorial slant in that they do make a special effort to translate anti-Israel and anti-US articles in the Arab press. They do not, however, make things up. Frankly, what you read at Memri isn't so different from what you can read directly from the Arab press when they translate their own work into English.

Now, about the article:

Personally I think this call for a non-violent intifada is a very positive move, what do you think?
I think its a great Idea, maybe Israel could think of trying a non violent land theft program? Possibly they could try driving the people off the land they need by flicking them on the buttocks with wet beach towels?
 
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a_unique_person said:


I don't get it. The violent destruction of Palestine is OK, but not Israel. And I still can't see how a bunch of untrained guys with home made rockets and small arms are going to destroy a country with nukes.
What Israel suppose to do with nukes, bomb their own country?

Yes, but the problem is everytime Israel get ready to solve the Palestine problem for good, America stops them.
 
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The Fool said:

c'mon A_U_P they could get luck with one of those rocks they throw. Maybe American baseball teams should be scouting them for starting fastball pitchers?

Nice. Someone suggests that blowing up school buses may not be the most effective way of pursuing their national aspirations and you come up with a quip about beachtowels.

Why did you treat it with such contempt? I would have thought that you would have supported a thread that clearly showed that not all Palestinians are militant Hamas bombers...
 
It's the utter disappointment that no more women and children will be bombed to death.
 
There's a debate posted at Palestine Media Watch in which the pro-Palestinian spokesperson states that the reason for a lack of a peaceful intifada is two-fold, because: a) whenever such a protest happens, in meets with the same level of Israeli force as violent protest–he offers as an example a campaign in which Palestinians withheld their taxes, but I haven't been able to establish the veracity of this claim; and (b) peaceful campaigns are just not as newsworthy as Palestinian violence anyway, so typically don't get reported by the press. I guess the manner in which the ISM's activities get reported would add some support to this claim.

Now, as a soft-hearted lefty I think non-violent protest is a right and moral thing to do, but I wonder if, should all Palestinians unilaterally renounce volence, it would have any effect on the current Israeli government?
 
BillyTK said:


Now, as a soft-hearted lefty I think non-violent protest is a right and moral thing to do, but I wonder if, should all Palestinians unilaterally renounce volence, it would have any effect on the current Israeli government?
It would have a great effect on world opinion and the United State. Israel would have no reason to retaliate. If Israel continued to attack without just cause, then they would risk losing financial support from the US
 
Outcast said:
It would have a great effect on world opinion and the United State.
I thought world opinion was on the whole biased in favour of Palestine already?
Israel would have no reason to retaliate.
I thought Israeli military action was defensive, not retaliatory?
If Israel continued to attack without just cause, then they would risk losing financial support from the US
IIRC Israel's economy is not in great shape and to a large extent is dependant on US economic support; do you really think any US president would even consider letting Israel slide down the pan?
 
Originally posted by BillyTK
Now, as a soft-hearted lefty I think non-violent protest is a right and moral thing to do, but I wonder if, should all Palestinians unilaterally renounce volence, it would have any effect on the current Israeli government?

Even if you buy the propaganda that the current Israeli government is evil, there is still the matter Israeli public opinion. Israel is a democracy, and governments change.

To paraphrase Dr Phil, how has the violent Intifada been working for them so far?
 
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Outcast said:
Nonviolent intifada? Never happen, at least not for long. Peaceful or violent what difference does it make, the goal is the same, the destruction of Israel?

I think, in part, that this idea doesn't come from the PA or Hamas is important. Zenith-Nadir recently started a thread quoting a PA official as stating publicly that the goal of destroying Israel never changed, and that is significant, but even so it still doesn't show that every single Palestinian-Arab wants to destroy Israel.

If this movement gains momentum and gets results, it's perfectly reasonable to expect the support for violence of the Palestinian-Arabs to drop. If nothing else, that there even is movement in this direction tells us that that there are some willing to step up to a leadership position who might be capable of negotiating peace.
 

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