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No thanks for doctors

Hammer_of_Thor

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Hammer_of_Thor
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I just need to vent about something that really made me angry...

I was watching the Espy awards the other night on ESPN. A lady by the name of Kay Yow received the inaugural Jimmy V ESPY Award for Perseverance. She has had cancer 3 times and this last year she coached the North Carolina State Women's basketball team while battling stage 4 cancer. So that is the background of the story.
Anyway, she is giving her speech and not once did she thank the doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals that helped her through the cancer treatments. She thanked god. The same god that had given her cancer 3 times in her life. It really made me angry. I thought about how all the people that treated her must feel that she doesn't even thank them. How does god get a free pass?

Thanks for letting me vent.
 
Because "God works in mysterious ways." He apparently enjoyed giving her cancer and then curing it so much, that he did it three times. He's such a kidder.
 
Yeah, but those doctors got their thanks by getting paid.

Did God send her a bill?
 
I'm sure she personally thanked the doctors.

What I have never seen, so far, is an actual medical professional complaining that their patient thanked God instead of him/her.
 
tdn said:
Yeah, but those doctors got their thanks by getting paid.

Did God send her a bill?
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You mean a bill from god charging her for her years of pain and suffering brought on by gods decision to give her cancer.

She thanks god for curing her of the cancer god gave her, but not thanking the doctors for curing her cancer.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
I'm sure she personally thanked the doctors.

What I have never seen, so far, is an actual medical professional complaining that their patient thanked God instead of him/her.
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What would have been nice though is for her to include the doctors in her speech. god didnt cure her, the doctors did.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
I'm sure she personally thanked the doctors.

What I have never seen, so far, is an actual medical professional complaining that their patient thanked God instead of him/her.
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While I have to say that this is a good thing because most docs have more dignity.

However, whenever a couple who goes through infertility treatments, particularly when they need to have a micro-syringe physically inject the sperm into the ovum in order to fertilize an egg, credits God and "miracles" when the woman actually conceives, there is no shortage of eye-rolling in the medical community.
 
Katana said:
While I have to say that this is a good thing because most docs have more dignity.

However, whenever a couple who goes through infertility treatments, particularly when they need to have a micro-syringe physically inject the sperm into the ovum in order to fertilize an egg, credits God and "miracles" when the woman actually conceives, there is no shortage of eye-rolling in the medical community.
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Yes, because it would have been much more convenient if the omnipotent god simply willed everyone's reproductive organs to work properly in the first place.

I'll leave now before I get into refusing to reduce multiple pregnancies for better outcomes...........
 
Miss Anthrope said:
Yes, because it would have been much more convenient if the omnipotent god simply willed everyone's reproductive organs to work properly in the first place.

I'll leave now before I get into refusing to reduce multiple pregnancies for better outcomes...........
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Wait, Miss A!

I sense that we agree, but do we?
 
I thank God every day that I figured out how to get my TiVo not to show me ESPN.
 
Katana said:
Wait, Miss A!

I sense that we agree, but do we?
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You're just trying to lure me into this derail, aren't ya?? :)

I was glad to hear about the eyerolling.

One of the things that makes me furious is when people say god got them pregnant when there were very serious fertility problems to begin with...and only medical intervention helped. I become further enraged when people with six to eight buns in the oven thanks to this treatment ignore medical advice to do "selective reduction" because "god" gave them all those babies. Babies that sometimes do not survive, babies with serious and permanent medical problems, babies born far too prematurely at great risk, requiring even more medical intervention.

And now I've gone and done it. And it's all Katana's fault.
 
Miss Anthrope said:
You're just trying to lure me into this derail, aren't ya?? :)

I was glad to hear about the eyerolling.

One of the things that makes me furious is when people say god got them pregnant when there were very serious fertility problems to begin with...and only medical intervention helped. I become further enraged when people with six to eight buns in the oven thanks to this treatment ignore medical advice to do "selective reduction" because "god" gave them all those babies. Babies that sometimes do not survive, babies with serious and permanent medical problems, babies born far too prematurely at great risk, requiring even more medical intervention.

And now I've gone and done it. And it's all Katana's fault.
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My bad. :D

I just wanted to be sure.

Got to stay in good stead with my Miss A.

Having said that, in the cases of certain sextuplets (yes, to continue the derail), I would submit that there was serious malpractice committed. There's a reason why we follow hormone levels, do ultrasounds to monitor follicular development in the ovary, and REFRAIN from inseminating if the risk of high-order multiple births is too high.

These cases aren't to be celebrated. They are to be denigrated.

But your point is correct in that, when they do happen, selective reduction is perhaps far less immoral than giving birth to six babies, most of whom are likely to die. I have seen too many children die horrible deaths or go on to live with serious disabilities - many to the extent that they will never communicate with much less know their parents- too many marriages ruined, and too many nurseries closed to other children because they were suddenly swamped with extremely premature babies who were the result of infertility mishaps.

Grrrrr.

OK. Off soapbox now. ;)

Back to the thread...
 
Katana said:
Got to stay in good stead with my Miss A.
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It would be quite difficult for you not to be :)

Thanks for your input, so we do agree. I don't have the first hand experience you do, but thanks for adding that to my understanding.
 
It kinda always amazes me the double standards of god believers.If something bad happens to them they go to their church or whatever and pray to their superior being for help.Dont want to disrespect people at the worst time of their lifes but the McCann couple go to church each day to pray to god to help them find their missing child.Why did god allow this dreadfull thing to happen in the first place.If god is so powerfull why let little children suffer.
 
It kinda always amazes me the double standards of god believers.If something bad happens to them they go to their church or whatever and pray to their superior being for help.Dont want to disrespect people at the worst time of their lifes but the McCann couple go to church each day to pray to god to help them find their missing child.Why did god allow this dreadfull thing to happen in the first place.If god is so powerfull why let little children suffer.
 
Hammer_of_Thor said:
god didnt cure her, the doctors did.
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This saying is new to me.

I have heard mostly the version: "We don't heal, we simply assist nature (or God) to get the healing process going."

They know that they can do little beyond the natural healing resources found in the body. Where these are missing or malfunctioning, the doctors can do next to nothing.
 
Freethinker said:
Because "God works in mysterious ways." He apparently enjoyed giving her cancer and then curing it so much, that he did it three times. He's such a kidder.
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Ummm, no. God doesn't give cancer, our bodies own cells give us cancer. I agree that crediting God for cures is rediculous, but anyone familiar with Christian theology knows that's not how it "works."

Straw man's are bad.

JJM 777 said:
This saying is new to me.

I have heard mostly the version: "We don't heal, we simply assist nature (or God) to get the healing process going."

They know that they can do little beyond the natural healing resources found in the body. Where these are missing or malfunctioning, the doctors can do next to nothing.
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I've never heard anyone other than a woo woo say anything remotely similar to that.

And real doctors, not woos who would aver your second paragraph, know that surgery and medication fix problems, they don't facilitate. Some proceedures like setting a broken bone in a cast or putting a burn victim into a coma would be similar to that, but if my heart surgeon tells me my clot will go away if I meditate or or cancer doctor recommends herbs instead of chemo, I'm getting a new doctor, STAT!
 
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