New York Times Declines McCain Op-Ed

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Apparently they want one more like Obama's.

'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,' NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain's staff. 'I'm not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.'

Shipley worked in the Clinton White House as a speechwriter, so I can't imagine why anybody would think he might be a tad biased. However, he did express a willingness to look at another draft, perhaps one that agreed more with Senator Obama.
 
If McCain sends a second draft that meets the NYT's requests for revision, and that gets rejected, then I'll consider this newsworthy. Until then, weak sauce smear.
 
Within McCain's piece you'll find this paragraph:

"...To make this point, he mangles the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some unspecified point in the future. "

*Today, Prime Minister Maliki DID in fact 'accept' Obama's timetable.

MAYBE the NYT is just interested in accuracy?

Later McCain writes:

"...But I have also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama."

Apparantly, Maliki's "domistic political reasons", are 'enough' to want U.S. troops OUT of their country. Why would McCain disagree with the timetable if Maliki accepts it???
 
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Dove-tailing nicely with that is this:

The belief that reporters are trying to help Barack Obama win the fall campaign has grown by five percentage points over the past month. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey found that 49% of voters believe most reporters will try to help Obama with their coverage, up from 44% a month ago.

Just 14% believe most reporters will try to help John McCain win, little changed from 13% a month ago. Just one voter in four (24%) believes that most reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage.

The irony of the Times refusing to run McCain's piece is that it now gets red headline treatment at Drudge, which means far more people will see it than would have if the Times had just run it. I imagine it will also help their fundraising. Thanks, New York Times!
 
The New York Times can run whatever it wants to run. Big.deal

I think most NYT readers understand the editorial bent. (although many people will claim that the one chick that had a hardon for the Iraq conflict represents the real view of the paper).
 
C'mon people, you call yourselves Skeptics?

In the OP link:

'The Obama piece worked for me because it offered new information (it appeared before his speech); while Senator Obama discussed Senator McCain, he also went into detail about his own plans.'

Shipley continues: 'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq.'

The accusation that they wanted McCain to propose the same plan as Obama is stupid. They wanted an essay that talked about McCain's plan and gave new information, not just attacking Obama.

His essay is at the bottom in its entirety. Here is a grab of a bunch of paragraph openers:

Now Senator Obama has been forced to acknowledge...

Perhaps he is unaware that...

The success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama’s determination...

To make this point, he mangles the evidence...

Senator Obama is also misleading on...
 
Shipley worked in the Clinton White House as a speechwriter, so I can't imagine why anybody would think he might be a tad biased. However, he did express a willingness to look at another draft, perhaps one that agreed more with Senator Obama.

Your lack of imagination does not reality make. This is conspiracy theory quality thinking.

Read the piece. It is just a response more suitable for the "letters to the editor" section than an op-ed in itself. "Obama Obama Obama." When the editor talks about it w/r/t Obama's piece it is clear he is speaking to form and not substance.

If he wrote a piece about what he believes w/r/t Iraq it would have been accepted no matter the content. The Times has published several op-eds by McCain, and endorsed him in the primary.

This is a silly cheapshot, even for this campaign. It plays well to the rubes who buy into the whole "liberal media" bit though.
 
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So they want the McCain op-ed to mirror the Obama op-ed. I wonder whose op-ed they asked Obama to mirror? It's a clear double standard, but it's their newspaper, they set the rules.

Anyone who doesn't know the political agenda at the NYT is brain dead, a description that apparently fits John McCanine.
 
Though I appreciate that he didn't do a Brainster on the thread title.

The editor actually spelled out exactly what he wanted, which was details on McCain's plan. That's all. The McCain campaign flatly refused to offer those details.

So what's the value of the piece? It's supposed to be information, not just free advertising.
 
His essay is at the bottom in its entirety. Here is a grab of a bunch of paragraph openers:

And fortunately Obama did not spend any time contrasting his vision with McCain's, making your point valid:

Unlike Senator John McCain, I opposed the war in Iraq before it began, and would end it as president.

Instead of seizing the moment and encouraging Iraqis to step up, the Bush administration and Senator McCain are refusing to embrace this transition — despite their previous commitments to respect the will of Iraq’s sovereign government.

Unlike Senator McCain, I would make it absolutely clear that we seek no presence in Iraq similar to our permanent bases in South Korea, and would redeploy our troops out of Iraq and focus on the broader security challenges that we face. But for far too long, those responsible for the greatest strategic blunder in the recent history of American foreign policy have ignored useful debate in favor of making false charges about flip-flops and surrender.

DOH!
 
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And fortunately Obama did not spend any time contrasting his vision with McCain's, making your point valid:



DOH!

Don't be intentionally thick. In your own link it said that Obama did make some contrasts, but spent the rest giving new information on his plan.

McCain spent 90% of his essay talking about Obama and gave a grand total of no new information, and didn't even define "success".
 
Personally I feel McSame should just STFU...

He's old, crippled, and can't remember if Iraq borders Pakistan.

The dude is worse off than Reagun in 1984......

Go to bed McSame...........your game is done!
 
Today, Prime Minister Maliki DID in fact 'accept' Obama's timetable.

But McCain wouldn't have known this, prior to writing his Op Ed.

We know that Maliki was misquoted once before when the claim that he called for a immediate withdrawal was first trumpeted by the media.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7504571.stm

US presidential contender Barack Obama has repeatedly seized on statements attributed to Iraqi leaders to support his call for a troop withdrawal deadline.

... snip ...

The prime minister was widely quoted as saying that in the negotiations with the Americans on a Status of Forces Agreement to regulate the US troop presence from next year, "the direction is towards either a memorandum of understanding on their evacuation, or a memorandum of understanding on a timetable for their withdrawal".

... snip ...

It is not what Mr Maliki actually said.

... snip ...

In an audio recording of his remarks, heard by the BBC, the prime minister did not use the word "withdrawal".

What he actually said was: "The direction is towards either a memorandum of understanding on their evacuation, or a memorandum of understanding on programming their presence."

And this time an Iraqi spokesperson for Maliki was publically stating that Maliki had been misquoted. And at the time of the rejection, did the NY Times know for sure that he hadn't been? As noted by others, that wasn't indicated as the reason the NYTimes rejected the Op Ed.

I think McCain should just cut out that one comment and resubmit the Op Ed. Because everything else he noted certainly is true.

Here is the Op Ed for those who are wondering ...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/21/mccain.op.ed/index.html

Here is the op-ed piece written by Sen. John McCain that the New York Times declined to run. The piece was released to CNN by the McCain campaign:

In January 2007, when General David Petraeus took command in Iraq, he called the situation "hard" but not "hopeless." Today, 18 months later, violence has fallen by up to 80% to the lowest levels in four years, and Sunni and Shiite terrorists are reeling from a string of defeats. The situation now is full of hope, but considerable hard work remains to consolidate our fragile gains.

Progress has been due primarily to an increase in the number of troops and a change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a time when it had few supporters in Washington. Senator Barack Obama was an equally vocal opponent. "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there," he said on January 10, 2007. "In fact, I think it will do the reverse."

Now Senator Obama has been forced to acknowledge that "our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence." But he still denies that any political progress has resulted.

Perhaps he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified that, as one news article put it, "Iraq has met all but three of 18 original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security, political and economic progress." Even more heartening has been progress that's not measured by the benchmarks. More than 90,000 Iraqis, many of them Sunnis who once fought against the government, have signed up as Sons of Iraq to fight against the terrorists. Nor do they measure Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's new-found willingness to crack down on Shiite extremists in Basra and Sadr City?actions that have done much to dispel suspicions of sectarianism.

The success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama's determination to pull out all of our combat troops. All that has changed is his rationale. In a New York Times op-ed and a speech this week, he offered his "plan for Iraq" in advance of his first "fact finding" trip to that country in more than three years. It consisted of the same old proposal to pull all of our troops out within 16 months. In 2007 he wanted to withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we had taken his advice, it would have been. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks Iraqis no longer need our assistance.

To make this point, he mangles the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some unspecified point in the future.

Senator Obama is also misleading on the Iraqi military's readiness. The Iraqi Army will be equipped and trained by the middle of next year, but this does not, as Senator Obama suggests, mean that they will then be ready to secure their country without a good deal of help. The Iraqi Air Force, for one, still lags behind, and no modern army can operate without air cover. The Iraqis are also still learning how to conduct planning, logistics, command and control, communications, and other complicated functions needed to support frontline troops.

No one favors a permanent U.S. presence, as Senator Obama charges. A partial withdrawal has already occurred with the departure of five "surge" brigades, and more withdrawals can take place as the security situation improves. As we draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other battlefields, such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed state behind. I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013.

But I have also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama.

Senator Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his "plan for Iraq." Perhaps that's because he doesn't want to hear what they have to say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a timetable would be "very dangerous."

The danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a comeback, as they have in the past when we've had too few troops in Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history. I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the "Mission Accomplished" banner prematurely.

I am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war - only of ending it. But if we don't win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining democratic allies.

If the NY Times doesn't want to publish it because it doesn't contain details to satisfy them as to what victory in Iraq entails, so be it. Let them demonstrate their political bias in this matter.

But who is the NY Times to be making this judgement anyway. Isn't that for the American people to make? I could link you plenty of articles the NY Times has published that would make you cringe at their factual inaccuracy, support of terrorist organizations, treasonous disclosures, and outright bias in political matters. In fact, clearly the NY Times did not exercise ANY editorial control over what Obama wrote in his Op Ed. Because if they had, they would have insisted he correct the numerous factual errors and distortions his Op Ed contained.

Note that the NY Times certainly isn't going out of its was to pin down Obama on what he really means to do in Iraq. He says he will withdraw all combat brigades in 16 months. Ok. But what about the rest of the American forces? Aren't they part of the problem in Obama's view too? How many will he leave? Won't they cause the same problems as they currently do? Who will protect them? What if things don't go well during the withdrawal and violence starts to increase? What if the move reinvigorates al-Qaeda and the Iranian backed millitias? What if a reemergence of sectarian violence is the result? Will he withdraw regardless of what happens in Iraq? He implied on another occasion that he would. The NY Times should hammer this "detail" down so his supporters know precisely what they are getting. :D
 

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