New Study - Failure of Gun Control

Richard G

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Restrictive firearm legislation has failed to reduce gun violence in Australia, Canada, or Great Britain. The policy of confiscating guns has been an expensive failure, according to a new paper "The Failed Experiment: Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada, Australia, England and Wales," released today by The Fraser Institute.

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/files/FailedExperiment.pdf

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=nr&id=570
 
Since one of it's key assumptions appears to be the only thing that can have an effect on crime rates is gun ownership I think the reports value is on the wrong side of zero.
 
I'll speak to on the Australian figures and commentary in the report.

1. Martin Bryant bought the weapons he used at a gun shop, legally. His primary weapon was an M16. There was never any confusion about this as far as I can find out (it was widely reported at the time too).

2. The statement "no Royal Commission ever examined the incident" in the report is a provocative strawman. Was the author suggesting that one should have been convened? That the relevant authorities failed in some way to do an adequate job in gathering the evidence? That Bryant may have been innocent and has been railroaded? (This, incidentally, is a crackpot theory being circulated on some pro-gun internet sites currently - I'll look for them again.) Bryant was identified by some of his victims, the police, and admitted himself as the assailant.

3. The hyperbole being trotted out by this report is laughable. Gun crime rates in Australia rising to alarming proportions, etc, while the US rates are dropping. Crime rampant on the streets, etc. A glance at Table 1 in the report shows the real situation for gun involvement for Australia (table section reproduced here):

Violent crime: less than 1% (US: 26%) - US is 26 times higher.
Homicides: 14% (US: 63%) - US is more than 4 times higher.
Robbery: 6% (US: 42%) - US is 7 times higher.
Suicide: 6% (US: 56%) - US is more than 9 times higher.
Accidents: NA (US: 1%)

Such numbers are mirrored closely in the Canadian and England/Wales figures as well - the US numbers are many times higher than the comparative figures for Canada, Australia and England/Wales.

4. The report is grossly guilty of the visual deception of putting two scales on one graph. For example, Figure 7 - Homicide Rates, shows two lines on a graph that seem to indicate that US homicides are falling below Australian rates, which have been steady with a slight increase on recent years. However careful examination of the graphs shows that the Australian values do not exceed 2 per 100,000 (left-hand scale), whereas the lowest US value does not come below 5 at any point (right-hand scale). This disparity is effectively hidden by the use of two scales on the same graph. This sin is repeated in most of the following graphs.

5. Further, same graph, much is made of the increase in homicide rates at the end of the Australian graph line. However little is said about the general overall decline over the decade of data shown. In fact, the small kick up at the end does not even meet the level of barely five years previously, indicating a possible aberration rather than a trend.

6. Finally, same graph, there is actually a correspondence between the Australian trends and the US trends - both started out higher in the earlier 1990's, dipped down, and then have a slight recent increase. The paper argues that gun control is failing, the US having none while the other three countries have it strongly applied. Yet these trends would actually suggest that gun control or otherwise has nothing to do with these graph trends at all. It is just the magnitute of the problems that stand out so severely, with the gun-control countries being significantly lower.

What can I say. Conservative bollocks.
 
Thanks Zep

I didn't notice the two scales on one graph bit. It is misleading.
 
Probably worth posting this:

In the specific case offered here, context is the most important factor. The piece quoted above leads the reader to believe that much of the Australian citizenry owned handguns until their ownership was made illegal and all firearms owned by "law-abiding citizens" were collected by the government through a buy-back program in 1997. This is not so. Australian citizens do not (and never did) have a constitutional right to own firearms — even before the 1997 buyback program, handgun ownership in Australia was restricted to certain groups, such as those needing weapons for occupational reasons, members of approved sporting clubs, hunters, and collectors. Moreover, the 1997 buyback program did not take away all the guns owned by these groups; only some types of firearms (primarily semi-automatic and pump-action weapons) were banned. And even with the ban in effect, those who can demonstrate a legitimate need to possess prohibited categories of firearms can petition for exemptions from the law.

Given this context, any claims based on statistics (even accurate ones) which posit a cause-and-effect relationship between the gun buyback program and increased crime rates because "criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed" are automatically suspect, since the average Australian citizen didn't own firearms even before the buyback. But beyond that, most of the statistics offered here are misleading and present only "first year results" where long-term trends need to be considered in order to draw valid cause-and-effect conclusions.

For example, the first entry states that "Homicides are up 3.2%." This statistic is misleading because it reflects only the absolute number of homicides rather than the homicide rate. (A country with a rapidly-growing population, for example, might experience a higher number of crimes even while its overall crime rate decreased.) An examination of statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology) reveals that the overall homicide rate in Australia has changed little over the past decade and actually dipped slightly after the 1997 gun buy-back program. (The chart found at this link also demonstrates how easily statistics based on small sample sizes can mislead, as when the homicide rate in Tasmania increased nearly eight-fold in one year based on a single incident in which 35 people were killed.)

Then we have the claim that "In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent." This is another example of how misleading statistics can be when the underlying numbers are not provided: Victoria, a state with a population of over four-and-a-half million people in 1997, experienced 7 firearm-related homicides in 1996 and 19 firearm-related homicides in 1997 (an increase of 171%, not 300%). An additional twelve homicides amongst a population of 4.5 million is not statistically significant, nor does this single-year statistic adequately reflect long-term trends. Moreover, the opening paragraph mixes two very different types of statistics — number of homicides vs. percentage of homicides committed with firearms. In the latter case, it should be noted that the Australia-wide percentage of homicides committed with firearms is now lower than it was before the gun buy-back program, and lower than it has been at any point during the past ten years. (In the former case, the absolute number of firearm homicides in Australia in 1998-99 was the lowest in the past ten years.)

(The rest is worth reading, too)

Back to the looney bin with you, Dick.
 
This article is complete garbage richard. Did you bother to check any of it? For exaple It says the gun buyback scheme cost Australian taxpayers 500 million..... woooooohahahahahaha!!!!!! We don't have that much money Richard....not for gun buybacks or any other thing:D

I checked the figures from the Senate estimates committee and the figure is actually around 56 million.....ooooops.

I don't believe this document is simply incompetent with its errors, Zep has already pointed out its blatant manipulation of graphics.... I believe it is deliberate fabrication. Are you happy to be peddling this stuff Richard? Do you believe peddling obvious lies helps your cause?
 
Ah, the Fraser Institute. The "analysts" at that allegedly pro-free-market think-tank are fakers. See for instance the Frazier Institute:

The Frazier Institute is a radical right-wing alternative to the Fraser Institute, Canada's purportedly free-market think-tank. The Frazier Institute was founded by a group of uncompromising free-market analysts who became dissatisfied with the wishy-washy moderation and the compromises of fundamental free-market principles engaged in by think-tanks such as the Fraser Institute in their search for popularity and their kow-towing to the liberal media.

One study introduces the concept of the Puck Curve:

As one admires the spectacular pyrotechnics and brutal competition of a professional hockey game, it is easy to forget that, despite the visibility of European and American stars, over 50% of the players in the National Hockey League (NHL) continue to be Canadian. This dominance by Canadian players is remarkable, considering that most NHL franchises are in U.S. cities, and that Canada's population is barely a tenth of the U.S.A.'s (without even taking into account the population of Russia and the other European hockey nations).

The traditional soft liberal explanation, of course, would be that this dominance is due to environmental and cultural factors - the tired old "they were made that way by society" argument. Such liberals are afraid to admit the truth: Canadians are genetically superior hockey players.

Here's the link: http://frazierinstitute.tripod.com/
 
You are all missing the point on the causes of crime.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and His Followers Fight Crime By Transcendental Meditation (TM).

Fighting violent crime has become the focus of those participating in "the Greater Washington D.C. Association of Professionals Practicing the Transcendental Meditation Program," according to the May 13 issue of The Washington Times. Since March, several hundred lawyers, doctors, and executives have gathered twice daily to meditate for peace. "If all goes well, these sessions will reduce violent crime in Washington 15 percent by the end of the year. So says the association."

The article says that "the secret weapon being used to effectuate that transformation is the Super Radiance Effect, also known as the Maharishi Effect. Basically, it means good vibrations emitted collectively [by those meditating] are greater than the sum of their parts."

Maharishi's pet project, however, is his "world peace proposal." He wants to gather 7,000 people in one location to perform his advanced Sidhi meditation technique on a steady basis. "Seven thousand people represents the square root of 1 percent of the world's population. According to some cosmic precept, that is the threshold of participation necessary for the Maharishi Effect to have its full, global impact," according to the Times.

Small-scale group meditations, Maharishi claims, have already produced a trickle of positivity. He takes some responsibility for the thawing of East-West relations. He concedes, however, that the recent war in the Persian Gulf was a "discouraging back step for humanity....During these days people must have not been regular in their meditation, so the coherence effect went down."

Now start meditating, slackers.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-nwsl/web/crn0035a.html
 
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Is it working yet? Anyone? How am I doing?
 
Judging by the precis on the website, the researchers make precisely the same mistake that Richard G makes in focussing on recent legislation, and particularly the 1997 amendment to the Firearms Act, when in fact, firearms legislation began in the 1920s, and the granting of firearms licenses for self-defense stopped nearly fifty years ago.

It also ignores the cultural difference between the UK and US–even prior to firearms restriction the UK never had the gun culture equivalent to the US anyway. This makes any attempt to correlate gun crime with legislation problematic, and other factors need to be addressed, which of course would get in the way of the results they'd like to see.
 
So when Richard G starts his next thread we post a link back to this one?
 
Zep said:
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Is it working yet? Anyone? How am I doing?

Well I haven't committed a gun crime since you started, neither has anyone else in my office (that I've noticed!) - maybe it's working!

Keep going, keep going!

:D
 
Mmmmh....

"Seven thousand people represents the square root of 1 percent of the world's population.

Just nitpicking, but...


7,000*7,000 = 49,000,000

1% = 49 Mill
100% = 4.9 Bill


In fact, the world is above 6 billion right now, so he would need closer to 8,000 people (square root of 1% of 6.4 billion).

Well, I guess we know that this is what he will say is reason for his failure...
 
geni said:
So when Richard G starts his next thread we post a link back to this one?
Possibly. Or we could compile a gun-<del>nut</del>advocate FAQ to be posted everytime a new thread is started...
 

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