New Orleans: Those left behind are black & poor
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You know you right, I have not seen any Asians being rescued. I guess that means the government cares about them the most.
Why don't the news mention that?! I demand to know why now!
Why don't the news mention that?! I demand to know why now!
CFLarsen said:
Really?
Watch the looting. Those "left behind" are a lot less poor than they were on Sunday. They're mostly black, too, from all accounts.
So how about it Claus? You still comfortable with your simplistic ideas on race when it's applied that way?
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Is it too late to repent?
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claimee said:
Since we're talking about New Orleans...
No, but you must turn over all valuable worldly possessions to me, and I'll issue you a "Get into Heaven Free" card.Grammatron said:
By the way, is thread meant to discuss the who's getting rescued and aide and who's not and why? Or is it meant to discuss the ethics of the news media.
CFLarsen said:
If by my world, you mean the sumtotal of journalism on the current lawless state of New Orleans, then yeah, I guess so.
ETA: Rather, you have it backwards. I said most thieves appeared to be black, not that most blacks appeared to be thieves. Nice try at intellectual dishonesty, Claus, you even managed to befuddle me for a second.
Answer me first, Claus. If the white man is guilty of "abandoning" blacks to their fate, does that simple binary door you call a worldview swing both ways?
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I could be mistaken, but it seems just about antime I've seen anything in the media ( pre-Katrina ) about New Orleans, I saw a lot of dark skinned people..
Could it be that any of them evacuated ?
Should the people filming looters shut down the cameras if they don't see any white faces ?
Do you think their could be a cause and effect relationship between poor, dark skinned people, weak levees and the landfall of category 5 hurricanes?
Did any dark skinned people leave Denmark for New Orleans when they heard of the impending disaster ?
Did any light skinned people leave New Orleans for Denmark?
This presents us with a gold mine of logical falacies.. You should feel right at home Claus..
Could it be that any of them evacuated ?
Should the people filming looters shut down the cameras if they don't see any white faces ?
Do you think their could be a cause and effect relationship between poor, dark skinned people, weak levees and the landfall of category 5 hurricanes?
Did any dark skinned people leave Denmark for New Orleans when they heard of the impending disaster ?
Did any light skinned people leave New Orleans for Denmark?
This presents us with a gold mine of logical falacies.. You should feel right at home Claus..
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Oooh! Oooh! Let me try!
False correlation: it's not that blacks are naturally thieves, and that's why all the looters you see on tv are black; it's that most of those remaining in the hurricane area are black, and that's why almost all the people you see doing anything are black.
And though the national news has been oh so careful to show us black people wheeling bins of high-priced sneakers down the street, and the classic "skinny black dude lugging humongous tv out of broken window" shots, they have also been particularly careful tonight to also note that many looters are looking for food, water, and other personal-needs items.
Tonight ABC News specifically cited the points that the vast majority of people still in the devastated areas are non-white and poor. They also specifically toured a Vietnamese neighborhood that was wiped out, and spoke to one of the residents.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I've heard ABC News speak about race more than once in the last couple of days. I know I cringed when they began comparing everything to a "refugee camp," or a "third-world nation," while standing amidst a crowd of people pop-eyed with shock, exhausted, hot, hungry, thirsty, dark-skinned . . . but maybe I'm being too sensitive?
False correlation: it's not that blacks are naturally thieves, and that's why all the looters you see on tv are black; it's that most of those remaining in the hurricane area are black, and that's why almost all the people you see doing anything are black.
And though the national news has been oh so careful to show us black people wheeling bins of high-priced sneakers down the street, and the classic "skinny black dude lugging humongous tv out of broken window" shots, they have also been particularly careful tonight to also note that many looters are looking for food, water, and other personal-needs items.
Tonight ABC News specifically cited the points that the vast majority of people still in the devastated areas are non-white and poor. They also specifically toured a Vietnamese neighborhood that was wiped out, and spoke to one of the residents.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I've heard ABC News speak about race more than once in the last couple of days. I know I cringed when they began comparing everything to a "refugee camp," or a "third-world nation," while standing amidst a crowd of people pop-eyed with shock, exhausted, hot, hungry, thirsty, dark-skinned . . . but maybe I'm being too sensitive?
It's not a matter of race. Most blacks, just like most whites, did not remain in the city after being told to evacuate, but obeyed the authorities.
It's not even a matter of rich vs. poor. Most poor people, white or black, evacuated just like those who are rich and middle class.
It is a matter of caste. In America, there is an underclass--the ghetto underclass--where a specific type of poor blacks live. The "ghetto culture" is that of lawlessness, lack of any respect for authority or civlity, no thought for anything except the pleasure of the moment, and so on.
The people who live in such an underclass naturally first ignored the authorities telling them to evacuate, and now see nothing wrong with using the disaster as an excuse for looting.
I mean, what did you expect? People who live all their lives in lawless hedonism do not magically become stoical and law-abiding just because a hurricane is around.
It's not even a matter of rich vs. poor. Most poor people, white or black, evacuated just like those who are rich and middle class.
It is a matter of caste. In America, there is an underclass--the ghetto underclass--where a specific type of poor blacks live. The "ghetto culture" is that of lawlessness, lack of any respect for authority or civlity, no thought for anything except the pleasure of the moment, and so on.
The people who live in such an underclass naturally first ignored the authorities telling them to evacuate, and now see nothing wrong with using the disaster as an excuse for looting.
I mean, what did you expect? People who live all their lives in lawless hedonism do not magically become stoical and law-abiding just because a hurricane is around.
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Skeptic said:
I strongly believe you're onto something, Skep. What did we see happening in NYC during the great blackout in the 1970's? I don't believe everyone (except your specific folk) just up and left town that night.
Quote ... "Although the 1965 blackout had been largely peaceful, the 1977 New York blackout was marred by rioting and looting. Firefighters had to fight 1,037 fires and respond to 1,700 false alarms. About 3,500 people were arrested."
And look here to see more evidence.
Quote ... "In other parts of the city the experience was starkly different. News broadcasts reported outbreaks of violence, looting, and fires. Areas of Harlem, Brooklyn, and the South Bronx experienced the most damage, where thousands of people took to the streets and smashed store windows looking for TVs, furniture, or clothing. In one report, 50 cars were stolen from a car dealership in the Bronx."