New Disclosures on Benghazi - Part II

[davefoc]

Continuation of this thread.

Posted By: zooterkin

It's always existed to some extent, but there are a number of positions that were filled by career pros in the past. I can see making donors and honorable opponents Ambassador to the Court of St. James or giving them a particular bailiwick that they might enjoy (Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Rome).... but I don't see making a crony or party stalking horse the Secretary of State? Ditto any of the key cabinet posts. I'd rather they stayed with the minions in State or Defense or AG.

Mostly I agree. But I thought John Kerry was a reasonable choice. It seems like gravitas, being well spoken, diplomacy are things Kerry is good at. Secretary of State seems like the kind of place where you would want to put a seasoned politician. Somebody good at getting elected might also be good at winning friends and influencing people. Secretary of defense seems more like a position where defense/military experience might be irreplaceable. But I feel like I've pontificated enough here and the fact is that I'm unsure pretty much about all of this.

If good governance is the goal, then head of FEMA needs to be somebody that has some pretty specific emergency relief skills and a political crony might be particularly problematic in that spot. But overall this issue seems tricky to me and my opinions aren't strongly held. Part of the job of the guy elected is to get his ideas into government so maybe installing some cronies is a good thing.

 

[kmortis]

The Michael Brown/Katrina posts have been moved off to their own thread. It's over here. Please use it.

Posted By: kmortis

 

[jhunter1163]

This sounds like a reasonable legal defense of Clinton. I think her apparatchiks will need to do a little better when it comes to defending the situation to the voters. On the other hand the Republicans are looking like they may not know how not to select a whacko so Clinton could look pretty good to the voters no matter how the spinners explain her little email server adventure. And, of course, there's always falling back on they do it too. That might fly.

Especially since, according to Colin Powell, they did do it, too (or rather, they didn't retain emails, either.)

 

[The Big Dog]

Especially since, according to Colin Powell, they did do it, too (or rather, they didn't retain emails, either.)

Who is "they." You mean Colin Powell? Barack Obama aficionado Colin Powell?

I've gone on record repeatedly saying that Colin ought to have the jail cell next to Hillary's.

In any event, it is amazing just how much traffic the "they did it too"/tu quoque fallacy gets on a so called skeptics site.

 

[12AX7]

In any event, it is amazing just how much traffic the "they did it too"/tu quoque fallacy gets on a so called skeptics site.

I know, right?

I mean, I was just looking at your other threads and how outraged you were when it happened then and Bush et al deleted over 5 million emails and...

Oh wait; that wasn't you.

Just partisan-driven witch-hunting, right? At least own it.

And this came in my news feed earlier this morning, though it was from 5/25 (I'm sure the smoking gun has been found by now though). Sorry if it's been posted already. I admit I haven't avidly read the thread lately.

Debunking the Benghazi Myths

It’s clear pundits don’t understand intelligence work.

The subtitle fits too!

 

[The Big Dog]

Blumenthal Clinton Family Fixer scheduled for a deposition before the Benghazi Committee on June 16.

Avid readers of this forum not only had a few days off to catch up with all the developments, but also will recall that Blumenthal was feeding Hillary "informal" advice on Libya, that Hillary was passing along to her underlings.

He was working not only for the Clinton family Foundation at the time but for Osprey and other companies that had business transactions with Libya's transitional government.

Now he is working for the Campaign.

Make sure to subscribe to this new thread.

 

[The Big Dog]

The most critical failure before the attack was State's Department's failure to provide security, and Hillary's claim that she "never" saw the cables begging for assistance.

In another forum someone made the argument that the administrator is largely a figure head and the actual planning and implementation is delegated to subordinates. "Oh I said, how well did that work out"? "Doesn't the job of administrator include assessing the competency of subordinates and to review the plans and preparations of subordinates?"

How would Hillary even know if her Department was up to the job?

 

[RandFan]

How would Hillary even know if her Department was up to the job?

Years of experience and proven competency in many roles.

She served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),[220] Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009),[221] Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009),[220] Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)[220] and Special Committee on Aging.[222] She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[223] (2001–2009).[224]

 

[The Big Dog]

Years of experience and proven competency in many roles.

She served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),[220] Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009),[221] Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009),[220] Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)[220] and Special Committee on Aging.[222] She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[223] (2001–2009).[224]

Gish Gallop noted.

Armed Services, tho? Curious then that State turned down TWO offers from DoD Africa Command to continue security operations in Benghazi.

I guess she didn't get the cable.

 

[sunmaster14]

Years of experience and proven competency in many roles.

She served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),[220] Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009),[221] Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009),[220] Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)[220] and Special Committee on Aging.[222] She was also a member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[223] (2001–2009).[224]

I guess that means there's little chance of Hillary actually becoming a competent manager. I mean if she hasn't learned by now after all that experience, she's almost certainly a hopeless case.

 

[DavidJames]

Holy **** - 16.5 asks for experience and calls whats provided a gish gallop. Are you freaking kidding me? If a list of valid references is a gish gallop, what should we call the diarrhea of nonsense 16.5 has posted in his hundreds of Benghazi posts.

Oh wait, I did name it.

 

[The Big Dog]

Holy **** - 16.5 asks for experience and calls whats provided a gish gallop. Are you freaking kidding me? If a list of valid references is a gish gallop, what should we call the diarrhea of nonsense 16.5 has posted in his hundreds of Benghazi posts.

Oh wait, I did name it.

False.

 

[NoahFence]

Holy **** - 16.5 asks for experience and calls whats provided a gish gallop. Are you freaking kidding me? If a list of valid references is a gish gallop, what should we call the diarrhea of nonsense 16.5 has posted in his hundreds of Benghazi posts.

Oh wait, I did name it.

It's actually embarrassing.

 

[The Big Dog]

It's actually embarrassing.

It is actually false, but explain to me in your own words how Hillary sitting on the Special Aging Committee gave her the "experience" to not read a cable coming from Ambassador Chris Stevens requesting additional security for the mission in Benghazi.

 

[theprestige]

Since when does sitting on a senate committee prove a senator's competence in that committee's field of inquiry (let alone other fields not considered by that committee)?

 

[Foolmewunz]

It is actually false, but explain to me in your own words how Hillary sitting on the Special Aging Committee gave her the "experience" to not read a cable coming from Ambassador Chris Stevens requesting additional security for the mission in Benghazi.

Since when does sitting on a senate committee prove a senator's competence in that committee's field of inquiry (let alone other fields not considered by that committee)?

I think on the experience as related to job qualification level it's probably about equal to "Being a Right Wing Pundit" or "Posting on an Internet Forum", maybe even a little more so, in terms of experience, which is the question that was voiced.

I mean, you're surely not questioning Trey Gowdy's expertise in the area of witch-hunting National Security and Middle Eastern Politics, are you? If we're going to insist on professional credentials, we could put a whole bunch of congress critters out of work and out of the limelight of the nightly news.


ETA: Did anyone catch the moment of lucidity (unintentional, I do believe) on Thursday night's O'Reilly? The teaser was for a segment on Michelle Obama's speech (at Howard, I think) talking about discrimination that still occurs in 2015.* But his lead-in was priceless. He actually said that since he had no "Hillary News" for the day, he was going to look at the First Lady's speech. This is what this is all about. A sound byte a day for O'Reilly or Meghan or Sean. Playing to the echo chamber inside the cocoon. And O'Reilly (who, if he didn't have the best ratings on Fox would be drummed out as a RINO, probably) admitted it.

*Surprisingly, O'Reilly actually took it very easy on Michelle Obama. He conceded (unlike a number of our thinking conservative Coulter parroters) that there's still racism to be dealt with but criticized her for not rounding the topic back to a positive closing along the lines of "But look.... there's a long way to go but I'm speaking to you as the First Lady of the USA. That's a far cry from that bridge in Selma." (I paraphrase... but that's the sort of thing he was alluding to.)

 

[The Big Dog]

More Evidence of State/Clinton Duplicity

Sid Blumenthal is testifying today.

Before that the Committee subpoened his records.

It should come as no surprise that there were at least 60 emails from Sid to Hillary that had never previously been turned over to the Committee.

This is exactly the type of chicanery that was expected when we learned that Hillarey had set up a cowboy server in her basement to keep the eyes of investigators at bay.

Just another example of Hillary's sneering contempt of Congress, transparency and the Public.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/hillary-clinton-libya-emails-withheld-benghazi-committee-119037.html

 

[wareyin]

Sid Blumenthal is testifying today.

Before that the Committee subpoened his records.

It should come as no surprise that there were at least 60 emails from Sid to Hillary that had never previously been turned over to the Committee.

This is exactly the type of chicanery that was expected when we learned that Hillarey had set up a cowboy server in her basement to keep the eyes of investigators at bay.

Just another example of Hillary's sneering contempt of Congress, transparency and the Public.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/hillary-clinton-libya-emails-withheld-benghazi-committee-119037.html

Yawn:

The congressional source did not know whether Clinton had turned over all the new emails to State and State did not provide them, or whether Clinton failed to hand over the correspondence.

It's almost like this is another desperate attempt to spin this non-scandal back to the front page.

 

[The Big Dog]

More Clinton Deceit comes to light

We all predicted this would happen, emails that were sent to Hillary "mysteriously" fail to show up in any production of documents pursuant to subpoenas.

Contempt is too weak a word at this point:

“New revelations that the Obama State Department or former Secretary Hillary Clinton withheld emails related to Benghazi and Libya from the Select Committee are outrageous.” He continued, “First she set up a private server to avoid transparency and records law, then she wiped it clean while its contents were under subpoena – and apparently failed to ensure congressional investigators were provided with everything they are entitled to. What in the world is she trying to hide?”

par for the course for the Hillary gang, duck and hide.

 

[Foolmewunz]

We all predicted this would happen, emails that were sent to Hillary "mysteriously" fail to show up in any production of documents pursuant to subpoenas.

Contempt is too weak a word at this point:

“New revelations that the Obama State Department or former Secretary Hillary Clinton withheld emails related to Benghazi and Libya from the Select Committee are outrageous.” He continued, “First she set up a private server to avoid transparency and records law, then she wiped it clean while its contents were under subpoena – and apparently failed to ensure congressional investigators were provided with everything they are entitled to. What in the world is she trying to hide?”

par for the course for the Hillary gang, duck and hide.

Par for the course for HDS sufferers; blow smoke and call it a raging forest fire. A right wing blog piece quoting speculation by a GOP stalking horse. The actual evidence? Nil. She cites a Politico opinion piece as her source material.

These aren't an example of "More Clinton Deceit Comes to Light". This is an opinion piece written by a conservative, citing conservative sources with no evidence whatsoever.