Neutrino oscillation

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ttch asked in another thread about neutrino oscillation.

Basically, neutrino oscillation is the idea that neutrinos change flavor in flight. According to the standard model of particle physics, there are three pairs of leptons. The lightest and most familiar are the electron and its neutrino, then the muon and its neutrino, and finally the heavy tau and its neutrino. Electron neutrinos are produced as a byproduct of beta decay (which also produces an electron) and muons and mu neutrinos are produced in cosmic rays.

Oscillation means that a mu neutrino, for example, might shift flavor into an electron neutrino and back again. This phenomenon might help explain why too few electron neutrinos are detected from the sun; some of them turned into something else.

It turns out that neutrino oscillation implies a non-zero mass for at least some neutrinos. By any other experiment, the neutrino mass is too small to measure and possibly zero.

How does this work? Well, trying not to get too far into the math, imagine two possible states a neutrino can be in, call them e and m for electron neutrino and muon neutrino. In quantum mechanics, you can form mixed states by coming them. For example, (1/sqrt(2) e + 1/sqrt(2) m) is a mixture in equal proportions of both states. The probability of measuring either state is the square of its coefficient, 1/2 in both cases in this example. If a neutrino is in this state, and you are looking for muon neutrinos, you have only a 50% chance of seeing this neutrino even if you normally detect every muon neutrino.

Particles have frequencies and wavelengths associated with them. These are related to how much energy the particle has. (Mathematically, this is represented by including a complex factor in the coefficient of a state that oscillates.)

If one type of neutrino has a bit more mass than the other, it'll have a slightly different wavelength for a given momentum (or, alternately, if it has a given energy, it'll have a slightly different leftover kinetic energy and therefore a slightly different momentum).

Now, most of the time, fixed energy states are compatible with fixed particle flavor states. However, if you can't have a fixed flavor state and a fixed energy state at the same time, you're going to have a state that necessarily has a mix of flavors... and there's a slight difference in wavelength. That leads to something analogous to constructive and destructive interference.

As a result, the mix of particle types leads to probabilities that vary as the two parts of the wave go in and out of phase. One flavor will peak in probability while the other hits its trough.

Two conditions must be met for this to happen: the two flavor states have to have different masses, and fixed energy states have to produce mixed flavor states.

How do you test this experimentally? Well, basically, you produce some neutrinos, and then sample the beam over varying distance to see what the probability of finding a neutrino of a given type is.

In SuperK this is done by measuring muon neutrinos produced in the upper atmosphere by cosmic rays. Neutrinos produced directly overhead travel a short distance, neutrinos on the horizon travel a long distance (and thus further along the wave of varying probability). The pattern and amount of light in the SuperK detector allow estimating both direction and energy, and it turns out that indeed the number of neutrinos falls off with distance, and the curve is compatible with a mass difference of 10-3 eV.
 
Hi, Zombified. (A response so I'm less of a "drive-by"...:))

Thanks for your explanation. Unfortunately you simply reiterated more or less what I originally understood so it doesn't really help me understand much more. (You didn't address my questions directly at all.) I guess what I naively understood to be a changing rest mass might better be considered as a sort of quantum thingie that doesn't exist until it is measured (or more correctly, interacts in a way that might allow measurement). Likewise for the neutrinos, velocity is also a quantum thingie that doesn't really exist until there is an interaction. It all seems to sorta throw relativity out the window.

Maybe everything is a quantum thingie... There is no ground on which to stand!

Thanks again.
 
I guess I missed the question then... as I recall I didn't get to the post right away.

The rest mass doesn't "change". The particle exists in a mixed state of indeterminate flavor and mass until you measure its flavor (by having it interact with a detector). Then the flavor and mass become definite measurements.

No energy is given off during the oscillation (to belatedly answer NC's question). It's not certain what the energy is until you measure it.

Momentum is also this way; there are many possible momenta until you measure it, and then you get a specific value.

In quantum mechanics, the state vector is everything. It encodes the state of the entire system. The probability of a given outcome is proportional to how much the actual state vector projects onto a state vector that represents the pure state for the given outcome. And that's all you get.

So yeah, in QM, "everything" is the state vector (aka wave function). Is "reality" that way? *shrug* The experiments work... I'm not a realist.

Now as far as relativity goes... if you do this "right" with the electro-weak quantum field theory... everything is valid according to special relativity. Field theories have relativity built into them. Ignoring field theory, though, the relationship between mass, momentum and energy is given by E2=m2c4+p2c2... stick in p=0 (no momentum) and you get Einstein's formula for the energy associated with rest mass, and if you put in m=0 you get the momentum formula for photons. Keep both terms, and you get the total energy for a particle with both mass and momentum. You can see from that equation why a mass difference would imply an energy difference for a given momentum, or a momentum difference for a given energy. That's why you get the interference between the two flavor states. Now in ordinary SR those values (energy, momentum) are just numbers. In quantum mechanics you can imagine that formula holding for combinations of states, although mathematically you have to treat the numbers as operators instead (matrices, to use vector terminology).

I think I probably don't get what you're getting at as far as relativity goes, though.
 
I guess I missed the question then... as I recall I didn't get to the post right away.

The rest mass doesn't "change". The particle exists in a mixed state of indeterminate flavor and mass until you measure its flavor (by having it interact with a detector). Then the flavor and mass become definite measurements.

No energy is given off during the oscillation (to belatedly answer NC's question). It's not certain what the energy is until you measure it.

Momentum is also this way; there are many possible momenta until you measure it, and then you get a specific value.

In quantum mechanics, the state vector is everything. It encodes the state of the entire system. The probability of a given outcome is proportional to how much the actual state vector projects onto a state vector that represents the pure state for the given outcome. And that's all you get.

So yeah, in QM, "everything" is the state vector (aka wave function). Is "reality" that way? *shrug* The experiments work... I'm not a realist.

Now as far as relativity goes... if you do this "right" with the electro-weak quantum field theory... everything is valid according to special relativity. Field theories have relativity built into them. Ignoring field theory, though, the relationship between mass, momentum and energy is given by E2=m2c4+p2c2... stick in p=0 (no momentum) and you get Einstein's formula for the energy associated with rest mass, and if you put in m=0 you get the momentum formula for photons. Keep both terms, and you get the total energy for a particle with both mass and momentum. You can see from that equation why a mass difference would imply an energy difference for a given momentum, or a momentum difference for a given energy. That's why you get the interference between the two flavor states. Now in ordinary SR those values (energy, momentum) are just numbers. In quantum mechanics you can imagine that formula holding for combinations of states, although mathematically you have to treat the numbers as operators instead (matrices, to use vector terminology).

I think I probably don't get what you're getting at as far as relativity goes, though.
Hi, ZBF.

OK. So the flavor is determined by the first measurement. Subsequent measurements will show the identical flavor? A measured neutrino is no longer a mix of states but is instead a single state?

But a neutrino originally emitted by some nuclear process is known or at least believed to have a particular flavor as defined by that process. So how does it get into this mix of states in the first place?

Theoretically it would seem at least that a neutrino's momentum is knowable by knowing the momenta of the particles in the source interaction (within some limit). The missing momentum is what inspired Pauli to hypothesize the neutrino in the first place.

Secondly, the flavor is determined by the first measurement, which is partially determined by the distance of the detector from the neutrino source. So if the linear momentum is constant but the flavor and potential rest mass at the detector differs, the neutrino velocity will differ depending upon the distance of the detector from the neutrino source, which is not known in advance! (In relativity at least; I understand in quantum physics time is a little more malleable.) Or if the velocity changes en route, is there some preferred reference frame in which it changes?

If the distance between my misunderstanding of this subject and your ability to dumb it down for me is too great, it's fine to stop here. Thanks.
 
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