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Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S.

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One of the government's 'secret histories' (like the Pentagon Papers) has just been released.

Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says

WASHINGTON — A secret history of the United States government’s Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a “safe haven” in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II, and it details decades of clashes, often hidden, with other nations over war criminals here and abroad.

The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has tried to keep secret for four years, provides new evidence about more than two dozen of the most notorious Nazi cases of the last three decades.
. . .
Perhaps the report’s most damning disclosures come in assessing the Central Intelligence Agency’s involvement with Nazi émigrés. Scholars and previous government reports had acknowledged the C.I.A.’s use of Nazis for postwar intelligence purposes. But this report goes further in documenting the level of American complicity and deception in such operations.

The Justice Department report, describing what it calls “the government’s collaboration with persecutors,” says that O.S.I investigators learned that some of the Nazis “were indeed knowingly granted entry” to the United States, even though government officials were aware of their pasts. “America, which prided itself on being a safe haven for the persecuted, became — in some small measure — a safe haven for persecutors as well,” it said.

Long story short: The CIA thought they might have some small intelligence value or maybe some expertise in rockets or the like, and so overlooked their atrocities. Pretty shameful if you ask me.
 


In other words, not only did we know this 50 years ago, songs were made about it 50 years ago! You'd have to have been living under a rock to not already know this.
 
Long story short: The CIA thought they might have some small intelligence value or maybe some expertise in rockets or the like, and so overlooked their atrocities. Pretty shameful if you ask me.

The most evil of these Nazis was probably Reinhard Gehlen, who eventually became head of the German Foreign Intelligence service (The BND). Gehlen was head of the German wartime, Fremde Heere Ost assessing Soviet battle secrets. It is understandable why the USA required his post war service.

However I have two problems with Gehlen. Firstly it would seem to me that Gehlen would have been aware of mass executions on the eastern front but offered no evidence as such after the war. Secondly, I'm suspicious that Gehlen exaggerated the post war Soviet threat to save his own skin and this became a "theme" in USA intelligence policy.

Gehalen claims to have been a conspirator to the execution of Hitler but he is also the person who suggested to a German journalist, that Martin Bormann had survived the war, in the 60's.


I have no way of proving either of the above and therefore can only express my suspicions.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen
 
Seriously though, I already knew about Wernher von Braun. This report isn't about him, but about other, less famous but arguably more culpable Nazis.
 
crap happens. we had to defeat the Soviets. hard choices had to be made.

Yes and No. I have doubts about the quality of Nazi information supplied to the USA by ex-Nazis. It seems to me that if the Nazis knew so much about Soviet activities than how come they were completely suprised by Bagration and the complete destruction of Army Group Centre in 44. If anything these were the people who got it wrong!
 
In the grand scheme of things, I don't think it made any real difference in the long run.

That damned CIA, with its certain knowledge of how things would turn out in the "long run", but still going out of their way to pointlessly give Nazis a hand, on account of how the CIA was full of Nazi sympathizers (being staffed entirely by white men, how could it be otherwise)?

Indeed, if history has taught us anything, it's that the white racists at the CIA run everything, know the future, and choose to perpetrate useless Nazi shenanigans anyway.
 
That damned CIA, with its certain knowledge of how things would turn out in the "long run", but still going out of their way to pointlessly give Nazis a hand, on account of how the CIA was full of Nazi sympathizers (being staffed entirely by white men, how could it be otherwise)?

Indeed, if history has taught us anything, it's that the white racists at the CIA run everything, know the future, and choose to perpetrate useless Nazi shenanigans anyway.

Er, I don't think that's what I was trying to say.

Obviously nobody has certain knowledge of the future, but that doesn't mean that nobody can ever be criticized for their decisions.

Maybe Mengele would have invented a cure for cancer if only we had forgiven his crimes and set him up in a research laboratory. Who knows?

Does that mean we should have done such a thing?
 
Those sinful Nazis will never be able to wash themselves of this sin, and we are guilty of their sins because we harbored their sin. Sin is like radiation, a tangible thing that happens when you do bad things, and it makes you deserve bad things, because you can't sin and get away with it? SINNERS!
 
Er, I don't think that's what I was trying to say.

Obviously nobody has certain knowledge of the future, but that doesn't mean that nobody can ever be criticized for their decisions.
Of course not, but hindsight has a pretty significant advantage.
Maybe Mengele would have invented a cure for cancer if only we had forgiven his crimes and set him up in a research laboratory. Who knows?

Does that mean we should have done such a thing?
That depends. If it was known for certain that he could cure cancer, it would have been criminal not to harbor him and give him a research laboratory (with strict controls on human experimentation). Fortunately in this case, that moral quagmire was easily avoidable as predicting the future in that fashion is fantasy.

Nazis did terrible things and the US government supported the prosecution of war criminals. If there were cases where decisions were made to protect certain individuals because it was thought that they had information that could save lives, I'm not willing to pass judgment on those who decided to serve what they felt was the greater good.
 
Damn those evil CIA agents going back in time 2 years before their agency was even founded to spirit Nazis away from Germany in 1945. Damn them to hell!! :rolleyes:
 
I think you will find that Mengele was doing nothing more exciting than
a. investigating therapies for Noma.
b. seeing if the Abwehr reaction could come up with tests for twins and/or race. Given the Abwehr reaction was bogus it was quite pointless albeit harmless research
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~piecze/Abderhalden.pdf

This, however, is excellent advice

How could Abderhalden
continue with the
Abwehrfermente from
1915 until his death in
1950? His strategy was
simple and straightforward.
He must have had
collaborators who
found what he
wanted them to find

[The poem-like format is accidental but appropriate for such an insight]
 
If it weren't for operation paperclip, we probably wouldn't have NASA.

Since the whole point of Paperclip was to acquire resources to advance the state of the art in certain technological fields--notably aerospace technology--this is a little like saying "if it weren't for wanting NASA, we probably wouldn't have NASA".
 
Long story short: The CIA thought they might have some small intelligence value or maybe some expertise in rockets or the like, and so overlooked their atrocities. Pretty shameful if you ask me.

Actually, the CIA was mostly built on what we got from the Nazis and their part had little to nothing to do with building the rockets. What is shameful is people not knowing things this basic - "secret report"??? - try junior high history textbook.
 

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