Nationalism And Critical Thought

blakehaydn

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National Identity

Nationalism is an important element of progress simply because it can be a large part of one’s social identity that motivates him to go above and beyond animal mentality, along with his civilization’s communities. Unfortunately, nationalism is often manipulated by the elite of the nation (financial and political) of which the patriot belongs. It is very easy do this because nationalism is a very emotional feeling, therefore it can be a very simple task to blind a passionate nationalist from objectivity by rousing these patriotic emotions. As we know by science, emotional behavior can highly impair rational thought. This isn’t to say that we must disregard nationalism as synonymous with corruption. This would be a great mistake because we have previously mentioned it’s possible contribution to social health and the physical progress of a civilization. But the corruption that nationalism may serve as a stepping-stone for definitely needs to be placed into check and eliminated.


Nationalistic Corruption

There are a couple basic entities of corruption that nationalism often may harbor (whether it be accidentally or purposely). One being elements of the patriot’s national culture that supports scientifically proven unhealthy behaviors. Not only do these behaviors have a naturally regressive effect upon society, but the previously mentioned elite can also manipulate national culture by continuing to support or even strengthen these unhealthy elements to further socioeconomic control of the population’s mindset. This must be recognized and halted with application of knowledge and critical thinking by the citizenry itself, these unhealthy elements of their culture must be transformed according to scientific research for progression to take place. The second entity is made up of simple lies or exaggerations of truth (perhaps of an event) by the elite or their minions in order to spark the emotions of nationalism into the elite’s favor. Again, education and critical thinking must be standards of the population so that they can respond to and with decisions using objectivity and not emotion.


Enlightened Nationalism

Strong nationalism can be a great advantage for a civilization as long as it does not dominate objectivity and is not supporting unhealthy behavior within it’s national culture. We must resocialize our civilization to research and critically think before responding in emotion to any situation whatsoever. We must also eliminate the unhealthy elements of our culture while replacing them with scientifically backed elements and progress already great elements of our culture that have been granted to us hundreds of years ago. The two unlikely partners of nationalism and objectivity can unite in helping to create a superior civilization, but it all starts with education and psychological understanding of self and society.
 
Blake, what's your plan to get everyone to stop what they're doing and adopt your ideas instead?
 
Blake, what's your plan to get everyone to stop what they're doing and adopt your ideas instead?

By educating them of a better way or waiting for the destruction of "what they're doing" will eventually bring.

If you are speaking technically, I am trying to organize a group to help me educate by marches, poster campaigns, videos and text.
 
By educating them of a better way or waiting for the destruction of "what they're doing" will eventually bring.

If you are speaking technically, I am trying to organize a group to help me educate by marches, poster campaigns, videos and text.


Okay, don't take this the wrong way, but I can think of people who are smarter than you and who have better ideas on how to run a society. What happens with people that want to follow those people instead?
 
Okay, don't take this the wrong way, but I can think of people who are smarter than you and who have better ideas on how to run a society. What happens with people that want to follow those people instead?

What do you have against responding to the subject of the post, or do you just like to insult people you don't agree with that much?

Obviously there is something you disagree with, so let's stay on topic.
 
This must be recognized and halted with application of knowledge and critical thinking by the citizenry itself, these unhealthy elements of their culture must be transformed according to scientific research for progression to take place.

How long will it take me to get out of the camp? A ballpark figure will be fine. :)
 
How long will it take me to get out of the camp? A ballpark figure will be fine. :)

:) How long is it going to take us to stop the damage we're doing to our physical and social environments and get out of a war that's costing us resources that we could be using to work on our own problems? A ballpark figure will be fine. ;)
 
Fair enough. I think the language I quoted above needs to be changed. Otherwise, you'll end up preaching to the choir. As a member of The Great Unwashed, it really does sound vaguely familiar to some other - err - unfortunate events in not-so-distant history.

I'm not claiming that was your intent, I'm just giving you my impression of it.
 
Fair enough. I think the language I quoted above needs to be changed. Otherwise, you'll end up preaching to the choir. As a member of The Great Unwashed, it really does sound vaguely familiar to some other - err - unfortunate events in not-so-distant history.

I'm not claiming that was your intent, I'm just giving you my impression of it.

I'm not trying to hide any of my influences, but I don't think that the administration of the particular era you thought of emphasized objectivity, critical thinking and an education and understanding of social science for the citizenry. Nor do I hear our current (or previous for that matter) administration emphasizing those great tools of advancement. Blind nationalism didn't only exist in 1930's Germany as many would have us believe, it was just the most productive nationalism ever witnessed.

I'm simply stating this, there are many potential benefits to a strong national sentiment, and if we couple that sentiment with objectivity those benefits will not be manipulated by the elite as they so often are.
 
We must also eliminate the unhealthy elements of our culture while replacing them with scientifically backed elements and progress already great elements of our culture that have been granted to us hundreds of years ago.
Unhealthy elements, such as? Cheeseburgers?
I'm getting nasty "social engineering" vibes. Give it up: It doesn't work, ever.
How is nationalism compatible with a rational outlook on life? You didn't choose where you were born. There's no reason -- other than your own emotional bonds -- to staunchly love your home country more than any other place in the world.
 
Unhealthy elements, such as? Cheeseburgers?
I'm getting nasty "social engineering" vibes. Give it up: It doesn't work, ever.

This is just ignorance, let's take a look at MTV for a second. Have they not "socially engineered" for profit by getting kids to think certain ways and like certain types of music? Capitalist trends are based on social engineering. I am simply implying to social engineer for progress, not profit.

Companies that sell feminine products use certain shapes in their packaging to appeal to the human mind more, could this also be related to social engineering?

And how about unconscious social engineering? Take a look at all the different cultures that have ever existed and their extreme differences? To say social engineering is not possible is to deny the concept of socialization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resocialization
 
There's no reason -- other than your own emotional bonds -- to staunchly love your home country more than any other place in the world.

I can think of a big reason that you completely overlooked, culture (philosophies, art, accomplishments, strength) perhaps? "There's no reason." So let me get this right, you're saying there is no scientific explanation at all for why a citizenry or individual might feel attached to their country besides emotional bonds that are "just there"?
 
I think this neo nazi filth should be banned. We all know what blakehayden means by "eliminate" and it's a clear breach of forum rules.

I find this extremely discusting.
 
Who is in charge of having this "control"? Are you not just changing who is in the elite? Who will keep this new elite in check? What if i don't agree with my programming? Can I vote them out? Why am I thinking of 1984, NK, and the Imperial March?
 
Who is in charge of having this "control"? Are you not just changing who is in the elite? Who will keep this new elite in check? What if i don't agree with my programming? Can I vote them out? Why am I thinking of 1984, NK, and the Imperial March?
Clearly, it is because you are not edumacated enough. Report to the camp immediately.
 

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