National Sunday Law

[Upchurch]

This is one of those wierd threads that could cross the line between belonging either in R&P or here. I decided to go with here since they are proposing a federal law.

This weekend, I recieved in the mail (addressed to "RESIDENT", so you know they had me in mind) a 94 page booklet entitled National Sunday Law by A. Jan Marcussen. A quick search this morning found this site.

Never a more garbled, mixed message have I ever read. It wasn't even until the end of the first chapter that I started to have a rough idea what the author was getting at. Somehow, 9/11, Biblical prophesy, and Pat Robertson's political career indicates that God wants the US to pass a federal law "to decree the establishment of the national observance of Sunday."

Has anyone heard of this before? Tell me this is just one nut job and not an actual movement.

 

[Just thinking]

Has anyone heard of this before? Tell me this is just one nut job and not an actual movement.

No, I have not heard of such a thing, and it could be some nut job starting some sort of movement -- but I doubt that it could gather any steam. It would require such a violation of the Constitution (the part where ... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" ... would be in direct contrast to selecting a special day of the week, {Sunday}, as which day is chosen is clearly of a religious preference) that there would likely be outrage from almost as many Christians as non-Christians.

PS: Just how in the heck did you end up on such an e-mail's spam list?

PPS: Oh yes, that link is a winner too -- like we haven't seen this sort of nonsense before. And isn't that Charlton Heston in the upper left corner? No fooling, really.

 

[Upchurch]

Re: Re: National Sunday Law

... would be in direct contrast to selecting a special day of the week, {Sunday}, as which day is chosen is clearly of a religious preference) that there would likely be outrage from almost as many Christians as non-Christians.

Well, that's a good point, as I believe that Saturday is the sabbath for Jews. Not that the author cares much about the Jews point of view, I'm sure.

PS: Just how in the heck did you end up on such an e-mail's spam list?

Oh, no. This was old fashion junk (snail-) mail.

 

[Cleon]

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Well, that's a good point, as I believe that Saturday is the sabbath for Jews. Not that the author cares much about the Jews point of view, I'm sure.

7th-day Adventists, too. For the past couple of years they've been putting up some really amusing billboards around Atlanta, declaring Sunday to "bear the mark of the Beast."

 

[richardm]

There are a few movements in the UK along the lines of "Keep Sunday Special". They also pop up every Christmas time, trying to get shops to stay closed. I do like the idea of having a legal time-off entitlement, that's what bank holidays are for in this country. For the rest of it, the EU WorkTime Directive (in theory) makes sure people aren't worked into the ground.

 

[c0rbin]

Ever try to send a letter on Sunday through US Post?

 

[Hutch]

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7th-day Adventists, too. For the past couple of years they've been putting up some really amusing billboards around Atlanta, declaring Sunday to "bear the mark of the Beast."

Not to mention that Muslims have their major Mosque day on Fridays. I remember one writer (Twain?) wondering how anything ever got done in Constantinople, between Christian and jewish and Muslim religious and holy days.

 

[webfusion]

days of the week

Not that the author cares much about the Jews point of view, I'm sure.

Indeed, according to the Hebrew calendar (Biblical dating system) the week of Creation began on Yom Rishon (1st day) which is Sunday. The Lord's mandated 'day of rest' begins at sundown on Friday pm and concludes on Saturday at sundown.

In Israel, busses and trains and even aircraft of ElAl stop operating, the stores (in general) close and the Shabbat begins. Just a few weeks ago, a huge religious rally was held in Tel Aviv to discuss the boycott of certain businesses (such as Home Depot) that stay open on Shabbat. Also, a new credit card was introduced by an Israeli bank that actually is inoperative (non-functional) during Shabbat.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/525431.html


Be active (and ever-watchful) in the USA to stop this religious-inspired stuff from encroaching on your lives. Otherwise, the downhill slope is slippery and dangerous...

 

[wollery]

Re: days of the week

Indeed, according to the Hebrew calendar (Biblical dating system) the week of Creation began on Yom Rishon (1st day) which is Sunday. The Lord's mandated 'day of rest' begins at sundown on Friday pm and concludes on Saturday at sundown.

In Israel, busses and trains and even aircraft of ElAl stop operating, the stores (in general) close and the Shabbat begins. Just a few weeks ago, a huge religious rally was held in Tel Aviv to discuss the boycott of certain businesses (such as Home Depot) that stay open on Shabbat. Also, a new credit card was introduced by an Israeli bank that actually is inoperative (non-functional) during Shabbat.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/525431.html

Be active (and ever-watchful) in the USA to stop this religious-inspired stuff from encroaching on your lives. Otherwise, the downhill slope is slippery and dangerous...

There is a very important an fundamental difference between Israel and the US. Israel is a nation founded for people of a specific religion, Judaism, and it's laws and constitution reflect that. The US on the other hand is by definition a secular state, founded on the basis that the government should have absolutely no say in religious matters.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Ever try to send a letter on Sunday through US Post?

There is a service window at the main post office in Manhattan that is always open. Talk about convenient!

 

[Art Vandelay]

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Well, that's a good point, as I believe that Saturday is the sabbath for Jews. Not that the author cares much about the Jews point of view, I'm sure.
Oh, no. This was old fashion junk (snail-) mail.

Really? The website seemed to be quite clear on Sunday not being the Sabbath. And aren't you grateful that you got it for free, instead of having to pay $2.50?

 

[Ipecac]

Screw Sunday. I would be 100% in favor of making Monday such a day. Mandatory three day weekend every week! Woo hoo!

 

[LostAngeles]

Ever try to send a letter on Sunday through US Post?

Or buy alcohol in MA communities from a store not near the state borders?

Or tried to go shopping before noon there about a decade ago?

Or tried shopping after 6PM there still.

Actually, I've noticed that with some stores out here too.

So if that comes to pass, then do the Jews visit Gentile stores on Saturdays and vice versa on Sundays?

 

[webfusion]

two quick things

...then do the Jews visit Gentile stores on Saturdays...

Jewish religious life can be summed up into two main camps: Those who follow the keeping of the sanctity of Sabbath (and other ritual laws) and those who don't. By definition, keeping the sanctity means you perform no work, enter into no discussions or transactions of a commercial nature, and neither cook nor drive nor turn on any electrical device or light fires.
Which is why ElAl fleet of aircraft are grounded for those 24 hours, no matter where in the world they are. The religious Jews would not fly that airline on any other day if they didn't stop for Shabbat.

Read the article linked above in my previous posting. It explains a lot.

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• "Israel is a nation founded for people of a specific religion, Judaism, and it's laws and constitution reflect that" -- posted by wollery
  
  Actually, the State of Israel was founded to be a Jewish haven and as a bulwhark against anti-semetism worldwide, but its laws and Declaration of Independence (it has no written constitution) do not discriminate based on religion, sex or national origin. There is one Law (the Law of Return) which grants automatic citizenship to any Jew who comes to live in Israel, but the land is a free haven for every imaginable religion (even Samaritans, Moslems and Bah"hai).
  
  http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/israel.htm
  
  "THE STATE OF ISRAEL ...will promote the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice and peace taught by the Hebrew Prophets; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex; will guarantee full freedom of conscience, worship, education and culture; will safeguard the sanctity and inviolability of the shrines and Holy Places of all religions..."

 

[Beerina]

Re: days of the week

Also, a new credit card was introduced by an Israeli bank that actually is inoperative (non-functional) during Shabbat.

Presumably market forces will correct this little bit of conceited silliness. In either case, their machine would decline it once called in, all automated of course. The holder will have already sinned, though, by the time the machines decline it.

 

[Tmy]

Or buy alcohol in MA communities from a store not near the state borders?

Or tried to go shopping before noon there about a decade ago?

Or tried shopping after 6PM there still.

Actually, I've noticed that with some stores out here too.

So if that comes to pass, then do the Jews visit Gentile stores on Saturdays and vice versa on Sundays?

NOT ANY MORE! Mass is finally dumping those dopey blue laws. You can buy booze on a Sunday and most stores are open late. Thank god. It was a pain buying Sunday beer at the speakeasys.

 

[Elind]

This is one of those wierd threads that could cross the line between belonging either in R&P or here. I decided to go with here since they are proposing a federal law.

This weekend, I recieved in the mail (addressed to "RESIDENT", so you know they had me in mind) a 94 page booklet entitled National Sunday Law by A. Jan Marcussen. A quick search this morning found this site.

Never a more garbled, mixed message have I ever read. It wasn't even until the end of the first chapter that I started to have a rough idea what the author was getting at. Somehow, 9/11, Biblical prophesy, and Pat Robertson's political career indicates that God wants the US to pass a federal law "to decree the establishment of the national observance of Sunday."

Has anyone heard of this before? Tell me this is just one nut job and not an actual movement.

Does nobody tell you when you can buy booze where you live? This has probably been referenced already, but I'm sure these people live where I do, they just don't all get carried away with their word processors.

 

[Meadmaker]

Re: Re: days of the week

Presumably market forces will correct this little bit of conceited silliness. In either case, their machine would decline it once called in, all automated of course. The holder will have already sinned, though, by the time the machines decline it.

You don't understand market forces, or Shabbat. A lot of people will appreciate a card like that. It's a niche market, to be sure, but there is a market for it.

I agree with the majority of Americans, though. Whatever observances you want to make on whatever sabbath you care to celebrate, that's fine with me, but I don't think laws ought to enforce it.

 

[LostAngeles]

NOT ANY MORE! Mass is finally dumping those dopey blue laws. You can buy booze on a Sunday and most stores are open late. Thank god. It was a pain buying Sunday beer at the speakeasys.

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Very slowly though. I tell you, MA politics is so much easier than CA politics.

They did institute a requirement that retail workers would get time and a half for the longer hours on Sunday, except if the buisness has less then seven employees or if the buisness didn't open until noon.

Note that says retail. All the folks that work in places like Brigham's and Pizzeria Regina? They work the longer Sunday at regular pay. So that repeal was, in essence, bulls***.

Alchohol can be bought on Sundays if the local police department gives permission. To my knowledge, most don't. I saw a number of local package stores closed while I was there, so I think they're still dragging their butts on it, south of Boston.

 

[peptoabysmal]

This is one of those wierd threads that could cross the line between belonging either in R&P or here. I decided to go with here since they are proposing a federal law.

This weekend, I recieved in the mail (addressed to "RESIDENT", so you know they had me in mind) a 94 page booklet entitled National Sunday Law by A. Jan Marcussen. A quick search this morning found this site.

Never a more garbled, mixed message have I ever read. It wasn't even until the end of the first chapter that I started to have a rough idea what the author was getting at. Somehow, 9/11, Biblical prophesy, and Pat Robertson's political career indicates that God wants the US to pass a federal law "to decree the establishment of the national observance of Sunday."

Has anyone heard of this before? Tell me this is just one nut job and not an actual movement.

I think you can file this with those copies of "The Watchtower". It makes good fuel for starting a fire in the fireplace...