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Nader supports Bush

Hilarious!

Not only is he going to run again, but as an Independant! Way to piss off all of the poor liberal saps that supported you all those years! They give him $5 Mil for his campaign last year, and this year, he won't even run as one.

I thik he is going to realize (painfully) that the Greens are the only ones who feelthe way he does. Most independants are more conservative then the Green party. Middle to Middle-right is what I have noticed most Indy's beings. He and the Green Party are just a hair left of socialism.
 
Like the Dems don't already have enough problems.

Makes me feel kind of sorry for the DLC.

Not really.
 
hgc said:
I can't think of any other reason he'd run for president again.

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Oh, I can think of a reason. Nader supports Nader.

That is to say, he's an aspiring megalomaniac who will stop at nothing to preserve his name in the history books, even if it's just in the role of gand bull-moose of spoilers. Rather than support a party that leans his way, i.e., the Democrats, he insists on pushing a pure agenda of anti-business quasi-socialism.

He has no concept of how politics work. Rather than get a quarter of what he claims to want, he'll get nothing and like it. In fact, less than nothing, since his efforts make it less likely that Bush will lose (which probably wouldn't happen at this point, Nader or no Nader).

Thank heaven he's so ugly. It scares me to think what he'd be capable of if he had a shred of real charisma or appeal.
 
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Jocko said:


Oh, I can think of a reason. Nader supports Nader.

That is to say, he's an aspiring megalomaniac who will stop at nothing to preserve his name in the history books, even if it's just in the role of gand bull-moose of spoilers. Rather than support a party that leans his way, i.e., the Democrats, he insists on pushing a pure agenda of anti-business quasi-socialism.

He has no concept of how politics work. Rather than get a quarter of what he claims to want, he'll get nothing and like it. In fact, less than nothing, since his efforts make it less likely that Bush will lose (which probably wouldn't happen at this point, Nader or no Nader).

Thank heaven he's so ugly. It scares me to think what he'd be capable of if he had a shred of real charisma or appeal.
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I never heard anyone express that view about Nader. What makes you think he is a megalomaniac like that?
 
aerocontrols said:
Like the Dems don't already have enough problems.

Makes me feel kind of sorry for the DLC.

Not really.
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Don't cry for the DNC, Argentina. Nader will provide a handy excuse for losing the next election, which seemed to be ineveitable even before Nader decied to get involved again.

[partisan rhetoric]
Besides, everyone knows the Dems would rather have a good fall guy and dissect everyone's feelings about a matter rather than actually take on the issue.
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I think this means he thinks whoever comes out of the democrat primaries will be weak going into the election. He has a point. Dean is the only candidate with real momentum and its based on his wide-eyed "believers" and his straight talkin hokum.

I think he is calculating that there is a chance to usurp the position of the challenger to Bush in this next election.
 
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Grammatron said:


I never heard anyone express that view about Nader. What makes you think he is a megalomaniac like that?
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It's an easy conclusion when you look at the circumstances. He has no sense of pragmatism; won't allow anyone else to lead the Green Party; and he either cannot or will not look at the inevitable consequences of his vanity.

You just can't trust a utopian - by definition, they've never thought things through, which is why after 100,000 years of evolution and development we're still not living in utopia.
 
corplinx said:


I think he is calculating that there is a chance to usurp the position of the challenger to Bush in this next election.
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It wouldn't take much - he only grabbed about 5% of the vote in 2000 (IIRC) and that was enough to usurp Gore.

BTW, on Howard Dean... I knew John McCain, and he, sir, is no John McCain.
 
Jocko said:


It wouldn't take much - he only grabbed about 5% of the vote in 2000 (IIRC) and that was enough to usurp Gore.
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I don't mean usurp as in acting as a spoiler. You have a good point in that he ran against Gore who had 8 years of name recognition and is a noted environmental politician and got 5 percent in the general election.

I think Nader means to surpass Dean if he wins the democrat nomination.
 
corplinx said:



I think Nader means to surpass Dean if he wins the democrat nomination.
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I'm sure he does - and Lyndon Larouche was probably serious about his Mars Base idea too. Both fail to see the utter absurdity of their chances, though, and in Nader's case that will help bring down an otherwise friendly option. That's what makes him a megalomaniac in my opinion.
 
Jocko said:


It's an easy conclusion when you look at the circumstances. He has no sense of pragmatism; won't allow anyone else to lead the Green Party;
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How do you mean? The original link makes clear that if he runs, it won't be as a Green. That step opens the door for someone else to win the Presidential nomination for the Green party.

He effictively is stepping aside from the leadership of the Greens.

MattJ
 
Jocko said:


I'm sure he does - and Lyndon Larouche was probably serious about his Mars Base idea too. Both fail to see the utter absurdity of their chances, though, and in Nader's case that will help bring down an otherwise friendly option. That's what makes him a megalomaniac in my opinion.
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Isn't one of the main points of running for Nader is to get enough votes to be allowed in the National debates?
 
Uh, guys, Nader isn't a Green Party member. He can hardly be called a "leader" of the Party; it's just that he's the closest thing to a public figure they've been able to get at to run on their ticket.
 
aerocontrols said:



How do you mean? The original link makes clear that if he runs, it won't be as a Green. That step opens the door for someone else to win the Presidential nomination for the Green party.

He effictively is stepping aside from the leadership of the Greens.

MattJ
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My goof, you are of course correct. That'll teach me to read the whole link. But the main point is that whatever banner he runs under, it's really the Nader party. He reminds me of Ross Perot, but far less entertaining.
 
Grammatron said:


Isn't one of the main points of running for Nader is to get enough votes to be allowed in the National debates?
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Perhaps - but isn't the main point of being included in national debates to get his mug on camera? It certainly isn't to win the election, and his constiuency is far too small to force other candidates to concede to his platform, since it will alienate more people than it draws.

Not that Nader would be satisfied partial implementation, of course, nor anyone else doing the implementing. Nader is all about Nader, plain and simple.
 
So much for trying to break the two-party stranglehold, Ralph...:(

(And this, in the first year I voted Green, too--for Ca. governor.)
 
I think Bush is going to win by such a big margin next year that the Naders won't matter.

Usually when a person runs for president who knows he has no chance to win, I can only conclude they have some other goal in mind. Jesse Jackson, for example. He knew he wasn't going to win, but it gave him huge political clout. It appears Al Sharpton has taken a page from his book.

Nadar, on the other hand, I think is just a kook. Didn't he run his last campaign on credit cards?

Hey, Ralph, thanks for the seat belts. Honest. But give it a rest, okay?

Along these lines, I hear whatshisname has mortgaged his house to keep running. Kerry. What a maroon...

Or maybe he's angling for VP?
 
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Jocko said:


It's an easy conclusion when you look at the circumstances. He has no sense of pragmatism; won't allow anyone else to lead the Green Party; and he either cannot or will not look at the inevitable consequences of his vanity.

You just can't trust a utopian - by definition, they've never thought things through, which is why after 100,000 years of evolution and development we're still not living in utopia.
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OMG! I've never heard it expressed so well. Jocko hit the nail on the head. I too firml believe Nader is a megalomaniac, and agree that his policies are ludicrious.

To the poster that said he isn't a Green Party member, you're wrong. he is not just a member. He is their 'lightning rod' spokesmen. Now, here is where you'll agrue that he is a consumer advocate platform guy. Fine. He's that, but he has choosen to take control of and 'lead' the Greens (down their road of idiocy) and hence will forever be thought or and remembered as a Green.

He did play a HUGE role in the Dems losing in 2000, and now it seems he plans to do it again, but this time, it'll be even worse because Howard Dean is FAR closer to the Greens then Al Gore was, thus stealing more votes away from a canditate that has a semi-decent chance.

Nader should go down as the worst thing to every happen to Dems and Liberals in the last 50 years.

(I secretly believe he is a die-hard, militant Republican and simply does his level best to ensure that the far left won't vote for the Dems.)
 
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