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My theoretical framework

Bodhi Dharma Zen

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Some quite unexpected facts (to the common people):

There is no “external” material world outside your consciousness. There are no objects, there is no light, nothing like and earth or stars or galaxies. Consciousness is your world, the only one you know and will know, the only one that exists and will ever exists.

There is also nothing “internal” to consciousness. Feeling, thoughts, sensations, perceptions, language, etc. are also your world. Still, consciousness is merely the tip of the iceberg (notice that I said that consciousness is YOUR world, not THE world).

Consciousness is made of phenomena, yet it is caused by the noumena. As we have seen, phenomena comprehends both the world and the ego, the external and the internal, the objective and the subjective.

The noumena is, whatever it is, outside the reach of consciousness. For convenience we can say that the noumena is physical, made of quarks, quantum states, strong and weak forces, and so on. But we must never forget that such concepts are oversimplifications that serve a purpose (they are like anchors that let us to make predictions) but are not “real entities in themselves”. Particles and waves are ways of describing the noumena, nothing else, and nothing more.

The ultimate nature of what we call the universe is then the noumena, and every attempt to describe it will begin and finish in language. Different languages, different concepts and you might end with a different description. Valid or invalid only in the sense it can accurately predict phenomena, but not “truer” or “more accurate” or “better” outside its predictive capabilities. It is a map and the map is not and can’t be the territory.
 
Well...I'm glad you inserted quantum mechanics into your solipsism; I wouldn't have been able to take you seriously otherwise. :rolleyes:
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen

Essentially you have just described the philosophy of science.

Comte and Mach (and Schick, Neurath, Carnap) are sitting up in their graves saying ‘well Duh!”.

Hawking says the same thing all the time. Ernst Mach pointed out that for science the noumena was simply a spurious concept.

And yes, Tricky, it is very useful.
 
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Does this "theory" actually explain anything useful?

Well...as computers and the telecommunications infrastructure that make up the internet are only non-existent objects rather than the noumenal language of quantum consciousness, clearly Bodhi's post doesn't exist nor does his theoretical framework.

In other words, this theory is quite useful in explaining that this theory is completely useless.
 
Comte and Mach (and Schick, Neurath, Carnap) are sitting up in their graves saying ‘well Duh!”.

Comte says nothing of the sort. He is the granddaddy of positivism. You could not have mis-characterized him more thoroughly than by associating him with solipsism.
 
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Comte says nothing of the sort. He is the granddaddy of positivism. You could not have mis-characterized him more thoroughly than by associating him with solipsism.
If you read the OP carefully it is not describing Solipsism, it is describing Positivism. A Solipsist would say the phenomenon was the noumenon.

Also he says "notice that I said that consciousness is YOUR world, not THE world"
 
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And this, my friends, is why philosophy is worth a fart in a collander.

We are about to descend into the battle of the isms.

It's the Judean People's Front v. the People's Front of Judea.

Well, blessed are the cheesemakers.
 
Hello?
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There is no “external” material world outside your consciousness.
Why would a Positivist (or indeed even a Materialist) say that there was an "external" material world “outside” your consciousness? That seems a dualist concept. Our consciousness is just a part of everything else
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The ultimate nature of what we call the universe is then the noumena
And Comte would disagree with this – why????
 
And this, my friends, is why philosophy is worth a fart in a collander.

We are about to descend into the battle of the isms.

It's the Judean People's Front v. the People's Front of Judea.

Well, blessed are the cheesemakers.
On the contrary we have arrived at one of the most useful areas of philosophy outside of political philosophy.
 
On the contrary we have arrived at one of the most useful areas of philosophy outside of political philosophy.

You must be joking.

What can all this jaw-flap possibly be useful for?

Except to help philosophers kill time, I mean?

I've been waiting for someone (anyone) to show me why philosophy isn't worthless. I'm still suspending judgment because I can't prove that all philosophy must be worthless.

But so far, no one's been able to show me any use for it at all, except in the way that, say, video games and masturbation are useful.

I mean, look at these posts. It's just a bunch of show me yours and I'll show you mine. Meanwhile, the real world churns on regardless.

We could chuck it all in the rubbish bin and be none the worse off.
 
And this, my friends, is why philosophy is worth a fart in a collander.

We are about to descend into the battle of the isms.

It's the Judean People's Front v. the People's Front of Judea.

Well, blessed are the cheesemakers.

Well, I think I should point out first, Piggy, in all fairness, we are not, in fact, the how-valuable-is-philosophy committee. (dglas chairs that committee here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105986). However, I have been asked to read the following prepare statement on behalf of the movement. "We the People's Front of Navel-Gazing, brackets, officials, end brackets, do hereby convey our sincere fraternal and sisterly greetings to you, Piggy, on this, the occasion of your taunting. "
 
On the contrary we have arrived at one of the most useful areas of philosophy outside of political philosophy.

I have a degree in political philosophy. It was useful in getting me into law school. That's about it. Sorry.
 
I have been asked to read the following prepare statement on behalf of the movement. "We the People's Front of Navel-Gazing, brackets, officials, end brackets, do hereby convey our sincere fraternal and sisterly greetings to you, Piggy, on this, the occasion of your taunting. "

I am most grateful and most humbled.

In appreciation, please allow me to flourish the royal collander and fart in your general direction.

Now, fetch the cow!

<waves private parts at your aunties>
 

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