My letter to Yellow Bamboo

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Well the people over at YB are still claiming that they can use their "magic powers" to stop attackers, so I decided to write them this letter (hope you enjoy):

Dear Mr. Sellars (for some reason they don't go to Alvin Donovan),
I am interested in your yellow bamboo training program for personal defense. I saw this video http://martrix.org/Bamboo Kuning a magic force.wmv, and was quite impressed. However, upon showing this video to one of my friends (a typical skeptic), he directed me to this video http://www.muchosucko.com/video-yellowbamboovsreality.html which allegedly shows two Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighters defeating Yellow Bamboo practitioners three times. What is your theory on this? Mine is that bamboo power is much like “The Force” from Star Wars. Since Yellow Bamboo can only be used for good, YB practitioners are like the Jedi. However, there is also a dark side of bamboo power & those who use this power are like the Sith. I believe that that the two people who defeated the YB practitioners were, in fact, very powerful Dark Bamboo practitioners. Their plan was to use the power of Dark Bamboo to counteract the power of Yellow Bamboo, use their jiu jitsu skills to wrestle the YB practitioners to the ground, videotape it, and then put it on the Internet to make YB look like a fraudulent money making scam. That way, there would be fewer people willing to learn YB, and thus there would be fewer Yellow Bamboo practitioners to fight in some sort of upcoming Bamboomageddon. What do you think?
One last question. I did some more video researching, and came across this video http://www.yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_Test_SwedishGroup_Surabrata.mov . It seems that YB is most effective when your attacker charges at you from 10 meters away screaming at you like you killed your attacker's mother and it caused your attacker to go insane and he gets locked up in an asylum, then one day the psychiatrist says he is sane and he is released and as he opens the door to leave the asylum, the first thing he sees is you standing at the bus stop exactly 10 meters away from the door to the asylum and he snaps and charges at you in vehement rage. Well I have never killed anyone's mother, nor do I ride the bus. If I am ever physically attacked, I would imagine that I would be in close proximity to my attacker because I would have been either arguing with them or being robbed by them. Is there any secret to turn an “all up in my grill” altercation into a “charging at me in vehement rage” altercation? I was thinking something like walking away from an argument then when I was 10 meters away screaming the most vile explicative I could possibly think of to incite their wrath. What is your take on this?

Sincerely,
Trent Steele (yes I know my pseudonym is from The Simpsons)
 
I seriously doubt you'll get a reply, but if you do, please keep us in the loop.

I'd hope that for anyone with half a brain, the final nails in the Yellow Bamboo coffin have been driven into their credibility casket.
 
I don't expect a response either. I just wanted to remind them how full of crap they are. As for the "last nail in the coffin" I dunno. They are prolly saying that because the two guys from Australia took them down, got a rear naked choke, and released as soon as they tapped that there was no real "attempt to cause harm", and that is why it didn't work.
 
Well next time someone will have to make sure they get choked to the point they defecate on themselves ala Gene LeBell vs. Steven Seagal.

I'll volunteer to do the choking.
 
Phrost said:
I'd hope that for anyone with half a brain, the final nails in the Yellow Bamboo coffin have been driven into their credibility casket.
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Just remember when that happened to Uri Geller. 20 odd years ago?

And the fact that he is still around today, still talking the same nonsense, and still many people believe him.


But on a lighter note I'm dying to know more about that Steven Seagal story.
 
Ashles said:

But on a lighter note I'm dying to know more about that Steven Seagal story.
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I believe that story involving Steven " I'm getting just as fat has those budda statues" Seagal and Gene "Judo Demi god" Lebell was during the filming of Seagal's "Fire Down Below". Steven was being a major a$$ and had said something to Lebell, who was hired has an extra/bad henchmen for the movie, that resulted in the much older Lebell choking out Seagal. I think Seagal was stating that no one could choke or take him out and was targeting these remarks towrds Lebell.

I thinks that's the story. There's more details to it that I'm likely missing, but I think that's the cream of it though.
 
Skeptic Warrior said:
I believe that story involving Steven " I'm getting just as fat has those budda statues" Seagal and Gene "Judo Demi god" Lebell was during the filming of Seagal's "Fire Down Below". Steven was being a major a$$ and had said something to Lebell, who was hired has an extra/bad henchmen for the movie, that resulted in the much older Lebell choking out Seagal. I think Seagal was stating that no one could choke or take him out and was targeting these remarks towrds Lebell.

I thinks that's the story. There's more details to it that I'm likely missing, but I think that's the cream of it though.
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More or less the gist of it. Seagal told LeBell, who's famous for his hundreds of judo/jujitsu/wrestling holds, that he could get out of anything LeBell put him in. I believe the defecation came after Seagal's second attempt to get out of a hold, in which LeBell decided to just stop the bloodflow to Seagal's brain by squeezing a bit harder.

Apparently there's an injunction against LeBell mentioning the situation directly, lawsuits involved, etc.

For those of you who aren't familiar with martial arts, the hold he was in looks almost exactly like the WWE "Sleeper Hold". ~10 seconds or so with it locked in and you're out.

Don't try this at home:

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Originally posted by Phrost:
For those of you who aren't familiar with martial arts, the hold he was in looks almost exactly like the WWE "Sleeper Hold". ~10 seconds or so with it locked in and you're out.
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Just a little FYI on the rear chock hold used in judo: when done correctly and by a judoka of LeBell's caliber, that chock last only a sec or two as the blood flow to the brain is cut off. I did judo fairly regularly for two years, and I had a sensei who could chock out almost anyone in the dojo in that much time or less.

The first thing you see as you go out are little bright spots of light. If you are smart, you will tap out. I never wanted to see what came after the little bright spots.

To have seen LaBell chock out Segal would have been priceless.
 
I like bullshido.com as well - it's become one of my regular visiting sites. :)

Regarding the hold - anyone really need a warning about what happens if you hold it too long? (Especially after reading about the loss of bowel control?)
 
Probably not, but I'm just covering my keister. I've already been through one lawsuit for content posted on Bullshido (which was for libel though) and had to deal with lawyers from the McDonald's corporation back when we were McDojo.com.

So I've become fairly litigious and a bit over-cautious.

Now if you want some irony, much of our site's legal disclaimer comes from Rense.com, after being reviewed by the lawyers on our staff. We've got 2 of them on the staff, and at least 2 others as supporting members now.
 
Oregon_Skeptic said:

The first thing you see as you go out are little bright spots of light. If you are smart, you will tap out. I never wanted to see what came after the little bright spots.
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I had someone get a really fast, very tight choke on me once and got to experience the next bit in the passing out sequence before I could tap -- my vision tunneled, with black sweeping in from all sides. Then I tapped, he released, and reality popped back into view.

Felt a little wobbly after that.

I have seen one person choked all the way out, though he didn't lose bowel control. He'd been struggling very hard and the person who got the choke let go the moment he stopped moving. He spluttered, his eyes blinked very quickly, then he came to and wondered why we were all watching him with such concern.

My understanding from a prior instructor is that people who are choked all the way out often don't realize it happened, and have to be informed (most notably in competitive events, where they're ready to keep going and don't realize they've lost).
 
sanguine said:
I had someone get a really fast, very tight choke on me once and got to experience the next bit in the passing out sequence before I could tap -- my vision tunneled, with black sweeping in from all sides. Then I tapped, he released, and reality popped back into view.

Felt a little wobbly after that.
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I've had the same thing happen to me, though not from a choke hold but from "laughing gas" at the dentist.

I was laying there, happily sniffing away when my whole vision started to swirl around and close in. I let it go on for a little bit before I got freaked out and took a deep breath of air through my mouth and my vision cleared right up.

So I guess "the tunnel" isn't all that mysterious after all.
 
sanguine said:
My understanding from a prior instructor is that people who are choked all the way out often don't realize it happened, and have to be informed (most notably in competitive events, where they're ready to keep going and don't realize they've lost).
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This is a pretty typical reaction to hypoxia, which is quite a bit of fun to experience in a controlled environment, ie. an altitude chamber. I've seen video of an officer looking at cards and reading the value and suit as he flipped them over. After a few minutes at a simulated altitude of 30,000ft, he got stuck in a loop, and even though turned over different cards, he kept repeating the 4 of Spades for several seconds, then when they put his oxygen mask back on, he went right back to what he was doing as if the last few minutes had never happened. That time is just skipped over for them, lost in their minds.
 
Chris O. said:
This is a pretty typical reaction to hypoxia, which is quite a bit of fun to experience in a controlled environment, ie. an altitude chamber. I've seen video of an officer looking at cards and reading the value and suit as he flipped them over. After a few minutes at a simulated altitude of 30,000ft, he got stuck in a loop, and even though turned over different cards, he kept repeating the 4 of Spades for several seconds, then when they put his oxygen mask back on, he went right back to what he was doing as if the last few minutes had never happened. That time is just skipped over for them, lost in their minds.
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I think you just stumbled onto the cause of "Missing Time" syndrome. The people who claim it happened to them just don't get enough oxygen to their brains.
 
Phrost said:
I think you just stumbled onto the cause of "Missing Time" syndrome. The people who claim it happened to them just don't get enough oxygen to their brains.
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I don't think I really stumbled onto it, I'd say it was obvious to the rest of the world what was going on.
 
Anybody here been around nitrous oxide? N02? That's the laughing gas from the dentist, but many a time I've seen tanks filling balloons, etc, mostly at Rock Music Concerts. OK, only Grateful Dead concerts. IMO and the science backs it up, it is pure hypoxia. One lungfull gets you there, you get just enough time to start the second one, and then it's more or less funny sounds and visual tunnelling. Fringe benefit is that if you talk it sounds like Daffy friggin Duck. That's funny. But there is a total tunnel down moment where you lose all the previous thinking. A half minute later, you get the O2 back, and it's back to normal.

My only concern is that people might miss the NO2/O2 ratio and really get passed out. That's why you need a valve/mask like the dentist.

It was a weird experience, yes, and it confirmed for me that casually messing with your mind is potentially quite serious. Ye gods, who knows what predispostions happen to emerge. Aneruysms (sp?), arhythmias, psychoses,.... it's a thing best to avoid.
 
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