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Mutant plants in my yard!

Donn

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There is a creeper growing in the yard outside (it has grown over the tree, I think the creeper's over 20 years old now) and every year around this time we see it pushing out long 'arms' and we have to keep cutting them off or face eviction from our home!

Usually (for the last 3 years that I have seen) the new growth is an 'arm' that is round (like a pencil is round) and long with leaves coming out along the length. Now the odd thing; we have seen one limb (that comes from higher-up and looks normal up there) quickly become a flattened shape (like a thick butter-knife blade) that grows kinda twisted (it looks like a hockey-stick's curve). This limb has several others coming from it and they are all flattened the same way. This collection of "mutants" is as long as any other new growth, just distorted.

I was wondering if this is some disease or if it's a mutation. What I know about biology would fit in the space reserved by a full-stop (with room left over for my deep understanding of physics too), and I was wondering about DNA and mutation in plants - especially long-lived ones like this creeper. Could some of the DNA have changed and now the cells from that point on (i.e. the one arm of this plant) use this new DNA and thus the plant grows physically in a different shape from that point on?

I gather that mutations in DNA within sex cells of animals is what goes forth into the new generation and thus causes the mutation to "express". I also gather that Star-Trek style 'mutations' of a whole body cannot happen (although I don't really know why, if all DNA was changed in every cell at once. Hey this is Star-Trek!). I was just wondering about a thing like an old plant and how it could change while still alive & on-the-go so to speak.

I guess I have just read too many evolution threads and have an over-active imagination!

I await a scoffing :)
 
Why don't you find out what kind of plant it is, first, and then find out what its normal growth habits are? It's entirely possible that it normally looks like this, and it's not a "mutation" at all.

Since you aren't in the US, sorry I don't have any suggestions as to what it might be.

But...if it looks like it's growing pods?

I wouldn't worry about identifying it.
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I at one time had a plant in my garden that grow to 15X its normal size.

The crazy mutant did taste great with sausage.
 
Goshawk - that body-snatchers sensation is not far off when you see this plant! LOL.

AW, what kind of plant was it? If it was a tomatoe or a mushroom then I can picture the whole sausage bbq thing :)

I will ask around, have heard it called a "Zimbabwe creeper" but this inspires too many Mugabe jokes...

Even if I can't get name for the plant (and I don't have a digicam or a scanner :( ) - is there any comment on whether it's a mutation or just a disease?
 
Pup, do I understand you to mean that this plant could be mutating in one part of it whilst the rest of it is continuing with the normal pattern?
(Is this a little like what cancer is in people?)
If so, I wonder why we don't see long-lived plants (like pines) that have strangely different limbs and leaves on the same plant? (Maybe we do, I am surprisingly uninformed !)

I dunno where I'm going with this, was just interested by the unusual shape - it really stands-out.

I will try to get pics of it - this will take some time as I still use film and then must get it scanned at the photo place.
 
Whoa - posted too soon!
I am reading that link about rose sports - wow. I reckon that needs some digesting first.

Thanks.
 
Donn said:

If so, I wonder why we don't see long-lived plants (like pines) that have strangely different limbs and leaves on the same plant?

Actually, we do...

The new variety, denominated `Burchinal Red Delicious`, was discovered by Robert Burchinal at the Adams Apple Orchard located at 2640 Bench Road, Othello, Wash., as a sport limb mutation. The tree having the mutated sport limb was found in a cultivated block of Oregon Spur.RTM. red delicious apple trees (`Wells & Wade cultivar`--U.S. Plant Pat. No. 2,816).

Mr. Burchinal was attracted to the tree by the sport limb that had fruit of a more uniform, deeper red color, much earlier than fruit of the remainder of the tree and neighboring trees.

(From the application for US Patent No. PP14,757 for "a new and distinct variety of apple tree" at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...1=PP14,757.WKU.&OS=PN/PP14,757&RS=PN/PP14,757

It goes back to economic significance. Thousands of apple-growers and grocers would profit from being able to offer apples that are just a smidge earlier and prettier than the competition's fruit, so it pays to have people scanning orchards for mutations with even a tiny shift in that direction. If only we could start a Zimbabwe creeper breeding craze like the tulip mania of a few hundred years ago, you'd be rich.

Your description of a stem that's flattened rather than round sounds like the abnormality called "fasciation," which can be caused by a variety of things. Here's an article on it: http://members.lycos.co.uk/WoodyPlantEcology/sycamore/fasciation.htm
 
Goshawk said:
Googling "zimbabwe creeper" turns up...

Well, don't I feel like a sausage now... :o
I did a google image search for it and turned-up nothing - well, that I could see. Just goes to show: try and try again!

I am off to read those links and the one from Pup.
Thanks all.
 
It looks like fasciation as described by that link. Great to get some insight after months of wondering about it!

I googled +fasciation +podranea and it comes up empty. I guess this could be taken to mean that I have the only fasciated podranea in the entire world! Or not :)

The bidding opens at ...

Ciao.
 
Donn said:
AW, what kind of plant was it? If it was a tomatoe or a mushroom then I can picture the whole sausage bbq thing :)

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I could not find a translation, but here is a picture (of the normal).

Now imagen it to be two feet high, branches and very sour.
 

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