Mr Randi - This is for you and your readers

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What makes you think that if proof was shown that a human being actually makes logical sense as opposed to what you have prooposed a human being is that anyone would give your show any credibility whatsoever? Can a million dollars buy truth? Make it a billion. If I hand a billion to someone and say yes they have shown what is possible, does that it makes it so. Who will prove the prover. In this day where disception is common from top to bottom, what make you think that handing over money makes it so? The truth is like subatomic particles first it's there and then it is not. Its realization or manifestation is fleeting in a relative format even for those where the envelope has been pushed to extremley high limits. Auditors, why should I believe them? They were paid off to say it is true. You can set up anything you wish, but to prove that such a thing would exist has no credibilty whatsoever even if you had 100 auditors. You do pay them all or their company does so anything is possible.
 
All the words are properly capitalized, the grammar is about 6.5/10 or so, I can plainly see complete sentences... unfortunately, I cant make anything out of the post.
 
Translated into Italian, then back to English, then into French, then back to English, then into Portuguese and finally back into English, and your eloquent passage is NO LESS COMPREHENSIBLE than it was originally. I think a round of applause is in order for the fine folk at BabelFish.

"That thing innate to think of that if the tests it will be indicated that to be it of the human being really that it marks the logical the opposite felt it that what you have prooposed to be of the human being it is that it does not import who flow with its exposition all credibility? They can million dollar buy the truth? Rendagli billion. If the period of training billion with somebody and the opinion to indicate yes that what is possible, it has that has thus. Who will show gunner of the tests. On this day where disception raised it to the deep one, that what invites it to think of whom cosegna is common moneies thus it makes it? The truth is as particles subatomic initially that it is here and is not then. Realization or the relative demonstration is provisory in a relative provision also for those where the envelope was introduced the high limits of extremley. They would have revisers of the customers, why me believe it? They were payment the end to say them this with that you it external part must line up. You can install qualche.cosa that you desire, but sample that such thing would exist on it does not have credibilty exactly if revisers of the customers has 100. It paid all or its qualche.cosa done company it is possible."
 
Apparently, the person does not believe the money exists, but that if the offer were a billion dollars, the offer would somehow be more credible.
 
TENYEARS...

Yeh...

Right...

If anyone on this planet understood what you meant....

Well...

Maybe your next post will reveal a little more about you..and the point you're trying to make...

But...If Randi declared that the paranormal existed...that certain people really could communicate with the dead...that God exists...etc..

Then i would, personally, look at the evidence presented to me and, using common sense, make my own judgement.

I would also gauge this declaration of Randi's against the lack of any kind of evidence, whatsoever, since the beginning of mankind, of the paranormal existing...

Also...if Randi did make such an annoucement...every reputable place of learning, Doctors, Scientists etc...would also examine the evidence..

Therefore...it would not just be Randi's word that the paranormal existed...it would be everybody i have ever trusted to talk common sense..

But seeing as your post makes hardly no sense...i doubt my post will...

Ask Pillory for a more detailed explanation..

Owning two cars doesnt mean you could reverse an Elephant...

Remember that..

DB
 
It makes perfect sense (I'm used to reading my lecture notes).

He is saying that even if Randi gives the $1000000 that proves nothing and that he thinks that the $1000000 don't exist.
 
geni said:
It makes perfect sense (I'm used to reading my lecture notes).

He is saying that even if Randi gives the $1000000 that proves nothing and that he thinks that the $1000000 don't exist.
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Is it possible he is insinuating that Randi may set up the whole thing and give the million away just to prove a paranormal phenomenon that would actually be a quack ?

This is an interesting theory...
 
I bet it feels real good to post libelous accusations while hiding behind a screen name, TenYears.

We will weigh your statements with just as much commitment as you are showing by posting anonomously. So, I think..

Oh look, a kitty!
 
geni said:
It makes perfect sense (I'm used to reading my lecture notes).

He is saying that even if Randi gives the $1000000 that proves nothing and that he thinks that the $1000000 don't exist.
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I first part is correct, but the second is not. I do not believe or disbeive the million is there. I do not know.

Is it possible he is insinuating that Randi may set up the whole thing and give the million away just to prove a paranormal phenomenon that would actually be a quack ?

I not saying that the individual would be a quack, I am saying it would be real, but just because 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 was paid out does not give it any validity whatsoever. I also conteneded with the possibiility of the other scenerio(quack) which is also a possibility.

Billions have been doled out on lies, the truth and facts have been altered throughout history. So where would the credibility come from other than direct experience of the that which you are attemping to prove. Anyone outside of that experience would be a believer and nothing more. I can take any set of combine facts and say it is true or untrue either conciously or unconcously.
 
TENYEARS said:

I can take any set of combine facts and say it is true or untrue either conciously or unconcously.
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You can say it's true (or untrue), but that doesn't make it true (or untrue).
 
TENYEARS said:
Billions have been doled out on lies, the truth and facts have been altered throughout history. So where would the credibility come from other than direct experience of the that which you are attemping to prove. Anyone outside of that experience would be a believer and nothing more. I can take any set of combine facts and say it is true or untrue either conciously or unconcously.
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Ok, I get it now, but I think we should start worrying about it *IF* anyone manages to grab the million, which my psychic powers tell me is not going to happen anytime soon.
 
TENYEARS said:


I am saying it would be real, but just because 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 was paid out does not give it any validity whatsoever. I also conteneded with the possibiility of the other scenerio(quack) which is also a possibility.

Billions have been doled out on lies, the truth and facts have been altered throughout history. So where would the credibility come from other than direct experience of the that which you are attemping to prove.
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The awarding of the million is not what gives validity to the phenomenon that passes the test. The validity arises from the fact that the phenomenon passed under proper observing conditions. When a phenomenon passes under proper observing conditions that means that anyone who reproduces those conditions should be able to observe the phenomenon.

No, the million is simply The Carrot and The Carrot requires The Stick. In this case The Stick is the apparent truth to materialism/physicalism. Because of this particular stick, don’t hold your breath for any phenomenon to be awarded The Carrot.
 
I am not debating the fact or wheather it is real or not. I am presenting the fact the the maner of credibility of Randi or a host of audits or auditors does not make it real under any circumstances if one was presented. I do not think the scientific community would give two carps about what Randi finds or any of his auditors say is real. It would just be paper. The whole thing could have been staged or not. The world would not know the truth. One might as well go to the circus.

Ah yes, there are also arms in Iraq, JFK shot himself, the president is an honest man, large companies project billions in statements which are all true. All by auditors all by truthful people. The truth of such a thing is greater than all of these things. If randi will only attract that which like himself. If he wants the truth, he will have to beg like dog for scraps from the table.

This is the truth, if you apply logic you will understand. If you stop short of your capacity, you will not.
 
...where did the money (1 million) originate from? Who saved/made it. Who put it, where it is now?

"Randi first challenged professed practitioners of the paranormal in 1968, offering $1,000 to anybody who could prove they have psychic powers. No one claimed it. So he upped the prize to $10,000, then to $1 million. It wasn't real money at first, just an amount pledged by hard-nosed skeptics from around the world. Then "a very wealthy gentleman in one of the northern states" made a donation of $1 million to Randi's cause. The money now sits in an investment account in New York City..." Source

"One million dollars in negotiable bonds is held by an investment firm in New York, in the "James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account," as surety for the prize funds. Validation of this account and its current status may be obtained by contacting the Foundation by telephone, fax, or e-mail." Source
 
Re: Just wondering...

LightPiercingDarkness said:
...where did the money (1 million) originate from? Who saved/made it. Who put it, where it is now?
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It is right here:

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TENYEARS said:
I am not debating the fact or wheather it is real or not. I am presenting the fact the the maner of credibility of Randi or a host of audits or auditors does not make it real under any circumstances if one was presented.

Randi does not have "auditors". The applicants for the JREF $1M are tested by scientists. Not "auditors," scientists. Real, live scientists who use care and caution and have enormous credibility, not to mention putting their own reputations at risk if they make silly pronouncements.

I do not think the scientific community would give two carps about what Randi finds or any of his auditors say is real. It would just be paper. The whole thing could have been staged or not. The world would not know the truth. One might as well go to the circus.

(Are we smelling a conspiracy theorist, anyone?) TENYEARS, you have the cart before the horse. The scientists would be the ones doing the examination of any claims for paranormal, and Randi would then award the JREF prize if such a claim was upheld. You should really read the relevant parts of this site MUCH more closely and not listen to inflammatory rhetoric from the paranormal sensationalist loonies.

Ah yes, there are also arms in Iraq, JFK shot himself, the president is an honest man, large companies project billions in statements which are all true. All by auditors all by truthful people. The truth of such a thing is greater than all of these things. If randi will only attract that which like himself. If he wants the truth, he will have to beg like dog for scraps from the table.

Yep, conspiracy theorist, I feel. Trolling too? We'll see how this goes on.

This is the truth, if you apply logic you will understand. If you stop short of your capacity, you will not.

Does this sound like anyone we know?
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