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Moveon.org Owns the Democratic Party.

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Liberal powerhouse MoveOn has a message for the "professional election losers" who run the Democratic Party: "We bought it, we own it, we're going to take it back."
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- Meh. It's another attempt to try and blame Democrats somewhere for losing the election and to try and be the first with a real solution to the "Democratic problem". Recently, here's-what-we-need-to-do articles have been a dime a dozen.

- The hard truth is: the majority of the people in the U.S. think Bush is doing a bang-up job. Many of them believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. Many of them believe W is god's own voice on Earth. Most of them believe Bush when he tells us that the war in Iraq is a part of the "war on terrah", terrorists being the people that actually attacked us. Most of them believe we need constitutional amendments (at the state level, at least) banning gay marriage.

- Most Americans either don't mind the tremendous debt or the poor economy, or else believe that Bush is simply doing an excellent job on it. Most Americans believe the Geneva Convention is "quaint" (at least while we're the ones torturing people anyway).

- Most Americans appear to be okay with faith-based government policy as spearheaded by Bush. Most Americans like to say they "voted their values" with the expectation that their vote would pay off with new legislation and policy that props up those "values". Most Americans think this is much more important than global tactical mistakes, foreign relations with long-time allies, visible-then-invisible weapons of mass destruction, or the inability to parse more than ten or twelve words at a time without starting over again or making up new words.

- That's today's America. Change the Democratic party? Change them into what... something that will win the majority of these people's votes?

- I'm a cynic now, if nobody has guessed. If I weren't, I might be tempted to say something like "the key to regaining sanity in this nation is to begin educating the kids", but the jesus-blessed conservative win has bolstered creationists and ID'ers all around the nation, and as a result there's a surge in creationists making headway with school boards in several states (see the infidel's newswire). I'm too tired to scream my lungs out ranting when I'm evidently so clearly outnumbered. So I'll pour a shot of tequila instead. I suggest the Democratic leadership do the same.
 
The hard truth is: the majority of the people in the U.S. think Bush is doing a bang-up job.
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I believe the keyword in that statement is "think". Karl Rove and company did a great job of convincing the American public of that.

If Bush had went on TV and killed kittens, I'm sure Karl Rove would have spun it to be an ultra-patriotic action and the weeny Democrats wouldn't have the guts to do it as well.

My heart goes out to anyone who is serving, been killed or injured, and their families.

Charlie (where's my tax refund?) Monoxide
 
If I spent that much money, i'd be claiming ownership, too.

As dire as the political situation seems these days, I suspect the religious right may be singing the same tune about the Republican party in about four years.
 
It was a rather silly thing to say. But to be perfectly fair, the exact quote, in context, was:
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"In the last year, grass-roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive," the message continued. "Now it's our party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."
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So they're not talking specifically about themselves, they're talking about "grass-roots contributors" in general...
 
It sounds like they are not very happy about the Dems going centrist to win in 08 and that they are looking to make it a party that esposes their own, progressive, ideology.

We might very well see the Democratic party split along those lines.
 
Ed said:
It sounds like they are not very happy about the Dems going centrist to win in 08 and that they are looking to make it a party that esposes their own, progressive, ideology.

We might very well see the Democratic party split along those lines.
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Good. Maybe they'll finally realize that the "Republican lite" strategy isn't winning them any elections.
 
Nasarius said:
Good. Maybe they'll finally realize that the "Republican lite" strategy isn't winning them any elections.
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Yeah..

Thinking about it that way makes Kerry's schitzophrenic performance a bit more understandable. He was talking to wackey left wingers and Lieberman Democrats at the same time. Really a no win.

Watch Hillary lead the centrist group, watch the progressives be marginalized. We'll see.
 
they need to respect the 2nd amendment and be credible about it.
Hold abortion to the 2nd trimester. give the third to the jebus crowd. but above all hold firm to the fist trimester. It should hinge on viability.
no establishment includes none of the above. and for crying out loud it was a hooter not a snuff flick, free the speech.

oh yeah, revise the patriot act to accomodate our civil liberties.

_ that would get me.

-Globe
 
Globert said:
they need to respect the 2nd amendment and be credible about it.
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I don't know what they'd have to do to be considered credible on guns. The problem is that there are Democrats who like guns and those who don't, but no recognizes that there are differences of opinion. And I'm saying that sitting in a house with 10+ weapons and where everyone voted Kerry.
 
"In the last year, grass-roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive,"
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MoveOn.org, a 501(c)(4) organization, primarily focuses on education and advocacy on important national issues.
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Aren't 501(c) organizations considered to be corporations? What is it with liberals using the word "corporation" as a synonym for "Satan", anyway?
 
Art Vandelay said:
Aren't 501(c) organizations considered to be corporations? What is it with liberals using the word "corporation" as a synonym for "Satan", anyway?
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Actually, 501(c)3's are tax-exempt charities. No idea what the 4's are.

As to corporations being evil, modern liberals (i.e., libertines) think everyone with a job is evil. This is not news.
 
This website says:

510(c)(4) organizations serve purposes that are tax-exempt but which do not rise to the level of charitable purposes. 501(c)(4) organizations are classified as "social welfare" organizations. Initially this classification included civic groups and community betterment organizations, but these days the most common purpose of new 501(c)(4) organizations is lobbying.

For tax purposes, 501(c)(3)s and 501(c)(4)s are similar in many respects, including most importantly, that their income is exempt from federal income taxes. The main legal difference, under the Internal Revenue Code, is that contributions to 501(c)(4)s are not tax-deductible to donors.
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kimiko said:
I don't know what they'd have to do to be considered credible on guns. The problem is that there are Democrats who like guns and those who don't, but no recognizes that there are differences of opinion. And I'm saying that sitting in a house with 10+ weapons and where everyone voted Kerry.
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Really? How do you know?
 
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