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More garbage from Dobson

Almo

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I sent this mail to the organization:

Dog, Moo

Hello,

How do you explain the fact that I had a homosexual gerbil? One of our male gerbils would only go after the other males. They didn't like it very much. But I don't think gerbils have enough intelligence to make that kind of decision. I strongly suspect that there are genetic factors involved.

Look up how "lethal recessive" genes work. Even though a gene codes for something that prevents reproduction, that doesn't mean it will be removed from the genepool.

If your organization has trouble with homosexuality, that fine, as you're entitled to your opinions. But the dog, moo, and choice argument doesn't hold water.

Actually, I haven't submitted it yet. The firewall at work won't allow the submission. Well, I'll just copy/paste it from here tonight. :)
 
http://www.family.org/meetourpresident/presnewsltrs/a0040010.cfm

Ugh:

This "Fatherneed" is clearly what drives many fatherless kids (and remember, there are currently more than 24 million of them in the U.S. alone) to turn to sex, alcohol, crime and the other dangerous and deadly behaviors outlined in the statistics I quoted earlier. It is only by the grace of God that I was not swallowed up by these destructive forces.
 
I don't think it's garbage at all. They have done a lot of research on this issue of kids raised without dads at home ,and it does seem most of the USA's incarcerated population comes from that type of backround.

Heck I have single mom friends that have had troubles getting there teens to respect them and then the they are off getting high and ripping people off and behind bars before you know it. Something has to change because kids really do need their biological dads to take responsibility for them.

And I'm not going to put anyone down for being gay, but I do believe it is a sin just like so many other things out in the world today! Sorry Almo that Dobson's teachings upset you, but I think he is helping people in his ministry.
 
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Heck I have single mom friends that have had troubles getting there teens to respect them and then the they are off getting high and ripping people off and behind bars before you know it. Something has to change because kids really do need their biological dads to take responsibility for them.
This offends me greatly. When I was a teenager I was always off getting high and ripping people off and my parents were (and are) happily married.
 
Oodles of it. Didn't keep me out of trouble. Hell, even the fact that I believed in the bugger didn't keep me out of trouble.
Ah, maybe you would have even got in worse trouble not believing in him. I found out from my own painful rebellion that God is faithful and just. He may not take away all the consequences from my past, but he still gives me the grace I need to survive and move forward in faith, hope, and love.

What absolutely blows my mind is that he is faithful even when we haven't been. The fact that he was able to turn my life around is all the proof I need.
 
I don't think it's garbage at all. They have done a lot of research on this issue of kids raised without dads at home ,and it does seem most of the USA's incarcerated population comes from that type of backround.
The majority of inmates are also christian. Although stable two parent families are best, a stable one parent family is better than an unstable two parent family.

Heck I have single mom friends that have had troubles getting there teens to respect them and then the they are off getting high and ripping people off and behind bars before you know it. Something has to change because kids really do need their biological dads to take responsibility for them.
First of all you have to earn respect, even from your own children. Ever think that maybe it's the single moms that are the problem. Any adult in their home can't wait to leave so the kids end up without a dad. Then people want to blame the person who isn't even there for the failure. Here's a news flash, kids from stable two parent homes screw up too.

And I'm not going to put anyone down for being gay, but I do believe it is a sin just like so many other things out in the world today! Sorry Almo that Dobson's teachings upset you, but I think he is helping people in his ministry.
If Dobson wants to 'help' people in his ministry that's fine. I'll even defend his right to do so. When he makes it political he crosses a line I consider sacred.

(I can't believe I answered on of her posts. What am I doing?)
 
The fact that he was able to turn my life around is all the proof I need.
Please, kurious_kathy, do take the credit you deserve. Even it was with the help of God, you decided to do something about your life, and did it. You were not a passive spectator, and should be proud of what you accomplished.

I think it was just you, by yourself, without any divine intervention, but that's just my opinion.
 
Sorry Almo that Dobson's teachings upset you, but I think he is helping people in his ministry.

One of the reasons I have little respect for Dobson is that he holds to the doctrine of entire sanctification - the belief that once one fully commits to a belief in Christ, one becomes without sin and even incapable of sin. Such a belief goes against John 1:8 which states, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

His opinions about homosexuality and how it should be outlawed also reduce his stature in my eyes.
 
I think kids can benefit from having two parents present, if only to get two points of view, however...

They have done a lot of research on this issue of kids raised without dads at home ,and it does seem most of the USA's incarcerated population comes from that type of backround.

Care to cite stats? Even if I grant a majority, is it a significant majority? Was that the major factor in the crimes?

Heck I have single mom friends that have had troubles getting there teens to respect them and then the they are off getting high and ripping people off and behind bars before you know it. Something has to change because kids really do need their biological dads to take responsibility for them.

You'll have to tread carefully in the next few posts lest you become personally insulting. To date, I have yet to rip anyone off or be behind bars. My biological dad is a friendly guy, but an irresponsible parent.

And I'm not going to put anyone down for being gay, but I do believe it is a sin just like so many other things out in the world today!

I'm not going to put anyone down for being female, but...

:boggled:
 
So which god will keep teens outa trouble, Kathy?
Because there is much proof and statistics that prove it’s Hindu families that have the least divorce, lowest crime rate and most stable home life.
So why would that be, I mean, you as a Christian, surly can’t accept that maybe that funny elephant god has something over Jesus, or does he?
Why would a people, who most Christians believe worship demons, behave morally?
 
One of the reasons I have little respect for Dobson is that he holds to the doctrine of entire sanctification - the belief that once one fully commits to a belief in Christ, one becomes without sin and even incapable of sin. Such a belief goes against John 1:8 which states, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

His opinions about homosexuality and how it should be outlawed also reduce his stature in my eyes.
I've not heard him ever say people are incapable of sin. This to me is off as well. I don't sin like I use to before coming to faith, especially the bigger ones, but even complaining about things sometimes is a sin,and I certainly have a hard time not complaining when I don't like something sometimes. I still ask God to forgive me when I struggle with some of these things, call them character flaws but I have a promise to be made new someday.

The teachings on justification and sanctification are interesting to me. I still don't know exactly how Christ sanctifies us, but I do believe I am already justified by faith. Sanctification seems to me more difficult and perhaps it's our learning to be discipled well that makes this sanctification happen?
 
So which god will keep teens outa trouble, Kathy?
Because there is much proof and statistics that prove it’s Hindu families that have the least divorce, lowest crime rate and most stable home life.
So why would that be, I mean, you as a Christian, surly can’t accept that maybe that funny elephant god has something over Jesus, or does he?
Why would a people, who most Christians believe worship demons, behave morally?
Hi kedo, Im not going to go into knocking the hindu religion even though I myself believe it is a false religion. Their God and the Christian God don't seem to be the same do they? We believe a different doctrine than Hindu's do. And I have known many Indian people (most hindu) and know they are very family orientated. Also they love education and seem to be driven toward getting a college degree and making something of their lives. All these things are admirable qualities as far as maybe being more moral than some people that don't have any faith in God or belief in right and wrong. I just don't know why each generation seems to be harder and harder to reach even on a moral perspective?
And I think ultimately God will judge these dads that got women pregnant and then decided they wouldn't take any responsibility for them. I don't know the statistics in other countries, but I do know the US is way to high on the divorce rate or unwed mothers. If people are going to choose to have sex outside of marriage, there is consequences. Who else can turn it around. I quess women could be wiser and tell guys forget it, no marriage, no sex. What will that do? Do you think guys will respect women more for saying no, or will they become evil and go and rape the girl. This really is a moral issue.
 
It's really amusing to watch Xtians try to figure out in one thread what's "wrong" with everyone, and decide it must be a lack of morals, and gee whiz, we'd be so much better off if everyone would just believe in and worship God....

...and then in another say things like "this is a Christian nation! Most Americans believe in God!"

....and never understand that both of these can't be true at the same time.
 
It's really amusing to watch Xtians try to figure out in one thread what's "wrong" with everyone, and decide it must be a lack of morals, and gee whiz, we'd be so much better off if everyone would just believe in and worship God....

...and then in another say things like "this is a Christian nation! Most Americans believe in God!"

....and never understand that both of these can't be true at the same time.
Hi sling, I try to remember to not say never, always, and everyone. There is only one time I will say everyone and that's when it come to finding and receiving truth. Everyone deserves to know the truth. Is that possible, probably not, but definitely worth striving for!
 
And I think ultimately God will judge these dads that got women pregnant and then decided they wouldn't take any responsibility for them. I don't know the statistics in other countries, but I do know the US is way to high on the divorce rate or unwed mothers. If people are going to choose to have sex outside of marriage, there is consequences. Who else can turn it around. I quess women could be wiser and tell guys forget it, no marriage, no sex. What will that do? Do you think guys will respect women more for saying no, or will they become evil and go and rape the girl. This really is a moral issue.

Strange that this happens in the most Christian of all nations, don't you think?
 
Hi sling, I try to remember to not say never, always, and everyone. There is only one time I will say everyone and that's when it come to finding and receiving truth. Everyone deserves to know the truth. Is that possible, probably not, but definitely worth striving for!

I believe I do know the truth. Nothing you've said has yet convinced me I'm wrong.
 

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