More food for Legaltainment from AE911T: Petitioning the NY county DA Cyrus Vance

[Oystein]

Yeah. See thread title. Here's the boohoo:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...us-vance-jr-manhattan-da-on-notice-again.html

Basically, they argue that, since the Port Authority had work done on the elevators at some prior to 9/11, that is reason enough to bother the NY legislature to look into a federal crime.

Letters they've written:

February 4, 2013 - John Remington Graham to Cyrus Vance - asking to meet with the DA office behind closed doors and to ask for a special prosecutor and grand jury
February 13, 2013 - William H. Schaap to Cyrus Vance (just a cover letter for the former)
June 19, 2013 - William H. Schaap to Cyrus Vance.
August 9, 2013 - John Remington Graham to Cyrus Vance - arguing why they think NY state retains power to prosecute 9/11.
May 9, 2014 - John Remington Graham to Cyrus R. Vance - Same old, only with bold facing.

Included May 9, 2014 - list of AE911T "experts" (including deceased Lyn Margoulis).​

May 21, 2014 - William H. Schaap to Cyrus Vance (just a cover letter for the former)



Do I hear "meemeemee"?

 

[thedopefishlives]

Yeah. See thread title. Here's the boohoo:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...us-vance-jr-manhattan-da-on-notice-again.html

Basically, they argue that, since the Port Authority had work done on the elevators at some prior to 9/11, that is reason enough to bother the NY legislature to look into a federal crime.

Letters they've written:

February 4, 2013 - John Remington Graham to Cyrus Vance - asking to meet with the DA office behind closed doors and to ask for a special prosecutor and grand jury
February 13, 2013 - William H. Schaap to Cyrus Vance (just a cover letter for the former)
June 19, 2013 - William H. Schaap to Cyrus Vance.
August 9, 2013 - John Remington Graham to Cyrus Vance - arguing why they think NY state retains power to prosecute 9/11.
May 9, 2014 - John Remington Graham to Cyrus R. Vance - Same old, only with bold facing.

Included May 9, 2014 - list of AE911T "experts" (including deceased Lyn Margoulis).​

May 21, 2014 - William H. Schaap to Cyrus Vance (just a cover letter for the former)



Do I hear "meemeemee"?

Not that I'm surprised by the lack of logic in this move, but I'm genuinely puzzled. They worked on the elevators, therefore inside jobbity job? I guess I should start working from home, then; the elevators were recently replaced in my building. Maybe that's why the building next door caught fire!

 

[JSanderO]

This is hysterical... and basically they (TSz) believe a false elevator contract was awarded to a fake elevator firm - ACE which really was the crew which install the CD devices inside the elevator shafts.... And if there is a suit there would be discovery and they could presumably prove their fantasy.

TSz tries to come up with an explanation of how tons(?) of explosives could be placed stealthily in the core. Of course... they could have just done a "standard" CD using the Mech floor at 72-74 with no one paying attantion... But that would mean that those 32 floors would crush everything below and the path of most resistance nonsense would have to be withdrawn.

They have to get past their science denial thing... to be taken seriously.

 

[Redwood]

From the AE911T press release:

We were later contacted by Vance's office and told that his office had no power to proceed because the collapse [sic] of the WTC Buildings 1, 2, and 7 were exclusively a federal matter. This was a feeble response.

I agree. Their response should have been more like, "Sorry! We don't take claims from lunatics. Oh, yes - make your subject agree with your verb."

 

[Craig4]

The best part is, the people who dismissed them don't even know about the righteous indignation. The actual DA probably never even saw the letter; they got blown off by a staffer.

 

[JayUtah]

They have to get past their science denial thing... to be taken seriously.

From what I can see, there's also a fair amount of law denial too. When AE911T tries to talk science, they can't seem to get the rest of the scientific community to listen to them. When they try to talk law, it's a similar thing.

 

[Mark F]

This is hysterical... and basically they (TSz) believe a false elevator contract was awarded to a fake elevator firm - ACE which really was the crew which install the CD devices inside the elevator shafts.... And if there is a suit there would be discovery and they could presumably prove their fantasy.

TSz tries to come up with an explanation of how tons(?) of explosives could be placed stealthily in the core. Of course... they could have just done a "standard" CD using the Mech floor at 72-74 with no one paying attantion... But that would mean that those 32 floors would crush everything below and the path of most resistance nonsense would have to be withdrawn.

They have to get past their science denial thing... to be taken seriously.

Or they could just crash a plane into a building,....

Wait - that would be nutty.

All pre-wired for demo claims are IMHO a clear indication of non-thinking. If you were Dr. Evil, tasked with faking a hijacking and crashing a plane into an iconic building which (for reasons unknown) has to collapse as a result of all this, would you:

A). Send in a crew of hundreds dressed as elevator repairmen to secretly wire the building with tons of explosives that must not be seen, be immune to aircraft impact and fire and will make obvious and deafening BANGS while raining down lethal high-velocity fragments all over lower Manhattan...

OR

B). Put the explosives in the plane, which is after all just a giant hollow tube. After all, if you can fake a hijacking you can probably stuff a plane full of TNT.

Not that of course either option is necessary just like ensuring the Twin Towers would collapse was not necessary.

 

[Brainster]

I'm just amazed they didn't warn him he'd be guilty of misprision of treason if he didn't pay attention to them.

 

[Mudcat]

Not that of course either option is necessary just like ensuring the Twin Towers would collapse was not necessary.

This is the part where I believe 9/11 conspiracy theories completely fail, assuming that the collapse of the WTC were necessarily necessary to a hypothetical conspiracy. I mean there really was a conspiracy to attack the WTC (and the Pentagon and the Whitehouse), only it was carried out by Al Qaeda not the American government. And as far as I know Osama bin Laden didn't think the destruction would be that severe, although I could be wrong about that.

 

[chrismohr]

This is the part where I believe 9/11 conspiracy theories completely fail, assuming that the collapse of the WTC were necessarily necessary to a hypothetical conspiracy. I mean there really was a conspiracy to attack the WTC (and the Pentagon and the Whitehouse), only it was carried out by Al Qaeda not the American government. And as far as I know Osama bin Laden didn't think the destruction would be that severe, although I could be wrong about that.

In that "faked" Osama video, bin Laden did say he expected a lot of destruction but not the complete collapse of the buildings.

 

[Mudcat]

In that "faked" Osama video, bin Laden did say he expected a lot of destruction but not the complete collapse of the buildings.

Ah yeah, that was what I was thinking of.

The point I was trying to get across was that Truthers hinge too much of their so-called theories on the destruction of the towers from which all the insane claims of explosives, thermite, holograms, space beams, mini-nukes, and what not stem from.

 

[Mark F]

This is the part where I believe 9/11 conspiracy theories completely fail, assuming that the collapse of the WTC were necessarily necessary to a hypothetical conspiracy. I mean there really was a conspiracy to attack the WTC (and the Pentagon and the Whitehouse), only it was carried out by Al Qaeda not the American government. And as far as I know Osama bin Laden didn't think the destruction would be that severe, although I could be wrong about that.

Here's the problem though: If you are a CT and you admit the damage in New York, DC and Shanksville could have been done by a mere airliner you have to admit it could have (and probably was) done by terrorists. It is therefore necessary to invent CD of the Twin Towers and missiles at the Pentagon/Shanksville in order to maintain the fiction. That way you can blame George Bush/Jews/NWO/Illuminati/Lizard People/Martha Stewart/etc, etc, etc,...

 

[Axxman300]

Why isn't blowing up the buildings enough?

If you are going to plant explosives in 3 different buildings (WTC1, WTC2 & WTC7), then why not plant enough to bring them down in a single shot, and kill 50,000+ people?

How would this be any LESS terrifying?

 

[Trojan]

So ACE Elevator is part of the NWO? The same guys that fixed the elevator in my office building?

 

[LSSBB]

Why isn't blowing up the buildings enough?

If you are going to plant explosives in 3 different buildings (WTC1, WTC2 & WTC7), then why not plant enough to bring them down in a single shot, and kill 50,000+ people?

How would this be any LESS terrifying?

It is always EXACTLY as terrifying as it has to be to justify conspiracy beliefs.

 

[fezzic]

The point I was trying to get across was that Truthers hinge too much of their so-called theories on the destruction of the towers from which all the insane claims of explosives, thermite, holograms, space beams, mini-nukes, and what not stem from.

The fundamental problem any CT has with the events of 9/11 is that it has to assume that the hypothetical non-Al Queda conspiracy (HNAQC) HAD TO TAKE A POSITIVE AND ACTIVE HAND IN THE EVENTS of the day.

Assuming (there's that word) a reasonably competent Al Queda conspiracy (AQC) (and these folks were not rank amateurs at plots and plans), however it got the basic idea, there was no functional reason why any HNAQC would have to be directly involved as the plot on 9/11 unfolded. Even if the plot failed, if the HNAQC did its job right, the AQC would never realize that it was the patsies. The HNAQC could then try something else.

So, the events of 9/11 -- the recorded and witnessed activities -- would have no trace of the HNAQC on it. Certainly odd things might occur, but there would otherwise be nothing to tie those together in any way that would lead an investigator to the HNAQC's activities. Certainly not without some assistance, such as confessions or tell-all books, from within the HNAQC.

The HNAQC would be sitting back and laughing at the CTers, who were desperately combing through the tapes and recordings for evidence of the HNAQC that does not exist, and I am sure the conspirators would be turning to one of their members and saying, "And you thought we should take a direct hand in what happened on 9/11. IDIOT!"

 

[LSSBB]

The fundamental problem any CT has with the events of 9/11 is that it has to assume that the hypothetical non-Al Queda conspiracy (HNAQC) HAD TO TAKE A POSITIVE AND ACTIVE HAND IN THE EVENTS of the day.

Assuming (there's that word) a reasonably competent Al Queda conspiracy (AQC) (and these folks were not rank amateurs at plots and plans), however it got the basic idea, there was no functional reason why any HNAQC would have to be directly involved as the plot on 9/11 unfolded. Even if the plot failed, if the HNAQC did its job right, the AQC would never realize that it was the patsies. The HNAQC could then try something else.

So, the events of 9/11 -- the recorded and witnessed activities -- would have no trace of the HNAQC on it. Certainly odd things might occur, but there would otherwise be nothing to tie those together in any way that would lead an investigator to the HNAQC's activities. Certainly not without some assistance, such as confessions or tell-all books, from within the HNAQC.

The HNAQC would be sitting back and laughing at the CTers, who were desperately combing through the tapes and recordings for evidence of the HNAQC that does not exist, and I am sure the conspirators would be turning to one of their members and saying, "And you thought we should take a direct hand in what happened on 9/11. IDIOT!"

That's why it always amazed me that most Truthers chose full retard over LIHOP.