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Monatomic Gold / ORMUS --- Chemistry / Physics Help Please

Dr Adequate

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I'm trying to do an article on monatomic gold, and there's just too much woo for one man.

It breaks down into

(1) Health claims.
(2) Raiders of the Lost Ark style pseudohistory.
(3) Physics / chemistry claims.

Part three has me stumped.

Here is the inventor's account of his discovery. This is Greek to me. Is it actually possible that he has managed to produce heavy metals in a previously unknown physical state?
 
Dr Adequate said:
Is it actually possible that he has managed to produce heavy metals in a previously unknown physical state?
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Disclaimer: I'm not a physicist or a chemist.

In my opinion, when a person sells gold that (a) doesn't look like gold, (b) doesn't behave like gold, (c) weighs about a half what gold weighs, (d) has three different conflicting explanations on where the missing mass went (including "it transforms into pure light energy" and "goes into different dimension of existence", I can't remember the third one), and (e) can't be recognized as gold using standard laboratory procedures, then the most likely explanation is that the substance he sells is not actually gold at all.
 
Dr Adequate said:
I'm trying to do an article on monatomic gold, and there's just too much woo for one man.

It breaks down into

(1) Health claims.
(2) Raiders of the Lost Ark style pseudohistory.
(3) Physics / chemistry claims.

Part three has me stumped.

Here is the inventor's account of his discovery. This is Greek to me. Is it actually possible that he has managed to produce heavy metals in a previously unknown physical state?
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No. Monatmoic gold would be rather unstable an exibit a tendancy to form metalic bonds. Or at least it would be once you cooled it down from the several thousand degrees you would need to heat it to to make it. Stable monoatimic can only interact through van der waal forces. Van der waal forces are pretty much entirely dependant on the number of lelectrons present. Radon has more electrons than gold and is a monoatomic. It is a gas. This mono atmomic gold would be a gas.
 
As Geni says, gold (like all solid metals) forms a crystalline structure at room temperature with semi-'delocalised' electrons providing the glue that holds it all together. The only way to disrupt this is to heat it until the atoms are far enough away from each other that metallic bonding can no longer occur , ie. gas.

So monoatomic gold is gaseous gold. Cool the gold to liquid and the electrons start to reform the metallic bonds and the gold is no longer technically monoatomic.

For the gold to remain monoatomic at room temperature, it would require the presence of some kind of 'magical' bonding between atoms that doesn't involve electrons at all.
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One for the 'Bad Chemistry' project?
 
Ririon said:
Probably, but if so, you just need to heat it some more to get it monoatomic.
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I'm not totaly certian it is . The bonding would be d-d single bond if it happens and I'm not sure how strong that would be.
 
I attempted to read the whole article but my brain dribbled out of my ears around the time that Putoff gets mentioned...
 
geni said:
I'm not totaly certian it is . The bonding would be d-d single bond if it happens and I'm not sure how strong that would be.
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The bond might be strong, but surely it doesn't require an infinite amount of energy to break? Just increase the temperature. Sooner or later you get gold plasma. Just before that there should be plenty of single gold atoms around.
 
It would take a long time to analyze the whole thing...and I don't have expertise in chemistry areas--but it appears as if he is just throwing around a bunch of terms to confuse things.

However, when this guy claims to be changing something from one element to another in a chemical process, he is flat out lying. Chemical energy is insufficient to alter the nucleus of an atom. Elements are defined by the number of protons they contain in the nucleus--anything that has 92 protons will be uranium for example--no doubt ever.

To change something from one element to another there are several methods:

natural radioactivity...elements give off radioactive particles and transmute to another element. The decay chain of uranium eventually ends up forming a stable isotope of lead.

Artificial transmutation: Put stuff in a nuclear reactor and bombard it with neutrons--after the element captures some neutrons it becomes radioactive. The new isotope can decay into some other elements. (this is how we made soooooooooo much plutonium)

The fission process in nuclear plants: fission uranium and you get a bunch of radioactive elements.

Accelerators: using accelerators, you can bombard one element with another and form new elements. This takes alot of energy to accelerate the one element toward another. This makes very small amounts of stuff and is very expensive. Example: Californium.

The sun: fusion of hydrogen into helium, then into carbon..oxygen, etc. eventually ends up with iron in the star. (takes a bunch of energy to get this process started)

So when he claims his ORME becomes rhodium or irridium or gold or anything else through the process he described...he is lying.

Hopefully I haven't left anything out...fellow posters...amplify please.

glenn:boxedin:
 
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