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MMR - new findings!

Deetee

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I am gathering evidence from countless Mums who admit their children started to talk/walk shortly after having had an MMR jab or booster. I have had more reports of this astonishing and significant phenomenon so far than Wakefield had autism cases.

My quandary is this- should I subject my data to proper verification/scrutiny, do case-controlled studies (which might well show that MMR has no positive effects on neurological development), or do I hold a news conference urging Mums to get their babes vaccinated or risk them all turn into vegetables?
 
Do you have any links to lawers trying to sue children for being noisy. If so you should choose option b
 
Definitely do the news conference. Then write a book, post a flawed study in some second-rate hack medical journal, go on every television and radio talk show you can think of, and then charge parents $10K each to promote your "toxification" system, which by vaccinating children with MMR on a regular basis, you can ensure that they will develop normally.
 
Should we start providing you shaky third-hand anecdotes to stump us as 'evidence'?
 
I'm confuseded. All 3 kids o mine got all their vaccines, and the only one without some curly hair got tourettes. Maybe non-curly haired people have some predisposition to tourettes if they get vaccines. We needs lots of those tests, and lots of money to spend on these tests to look into this defonite link.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
I'm confuseded. All 3 kids o mine got all their vaccines, and the only one without some curly hair got tourettes. Maybe non-curly haired people have some predisposition to tourettes if they get vaccines. We needs lots of those tests, and lots of money to spend on these tests to look into this defonite link.
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I wish they'd make a vaccine that causes kids to keep their rooms tidy. I'm sure kids are worse these days although I suspect it's due to them having more toys than we did. :p

Anyway, hi from a first-time poster. Debating anti-vaxers is a something I'm developing skills in. Nice to be here.
 
Nice to have you! Have you done a search on "vaccines" to see what else we've debated on the topic?


Please go ahead with any questions or arguments you've heard, and we'll do all we can to help you out.

Welcome aboard, it's good to have another on the team!
 
sodakboy93 said:
Definitely do the news conference. Then write a book, post a flawed study in some second-rate hack medical journal, go on every television and radio talk show you can think of, and then charge parents $10K each to promote your "toxification" system, which by vaccinating children with MMR on a regular basis, you can ensure that they will develop normally.
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And don't forget to badmouth the JREF and label all questioners as "pseudo skeptics", a la 1inChrist.
 
I've been reading through some of the threads. Hopefully I won't post too many things that have been covered before.

I've been doing a lot of research over the last year or two so I can respond to the woo-woo brigade's claims. It really helps to get inside their minds to see how they think (shudder). Learning their stock-standard replies helps avoid them.

You may have noticed that I live "down under" in New Zealand. We are currently battling a meningococcal B epidemic and have just started an immunisation programme. The awful deaths shown in the newspapers haven't stopped the anti-vaxers from spouting their nonsense. I may start another thread for this topic.

Oh, and it is just been made official that we have a whooping cough epidemic. Terrific.

Hey, when do I get to have a custom Avatar? After fifty posts?
 
Yes, 50 posts, so don't worry about about repeating anything. Threads disappear after x amount of time, so we don't mind covering topics and adding new information.

Please do tell us more about the meningococcal B, it's news to me in particular. How bad is it? What are the anti-vaccinators saying about that vaccine?
 
You'd really struggle to be more repetitive than KumarBot or the Homeo fans ... although they've gone a bit quiet of late.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Yes, 50 posts, so don't worry about about repeating anything. Threads disappear after x amount of time, so we don't mind covering topics and adding new information.

Please do tell us more about the meningococcal B, it's news to me in particular. How bad is it? What are the anti-vaccinators saying about that vaccine?
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Hey, thanks for the warm welcome. :)

MenB is pretty scary because it acts so fast. It can cause meningitis and septicemia . It can kill within hours and can be difficult to diagnose because it is flu-like. We've managed to get a strain that is not so common in other parts of the world so our government has finally shelled out for a vaccine.
I've bravely started a new thread for this topic: MenB Thread

The anti-vaxers say the usual dopey things but have been pulled up on one particular statement about paracetamol use.

New Zealand has one of the best survival rates for the disease probably because of the extensive public education campaigns.

Oh, and I'm not much of a kid as my user name might suggest. I married with kids and am becoming folically-challenged (probably because of the kids!)
 
Deetee said:
I am gathering evidence from countless Mums who admit their children started to talk/walk shortly after having had an MMR jab or booster. I have had more reports of this astonishing and significant phenomenon so far than Wakefield had autism cases.

My quandary is this- should I subject my data to proper verification/scrutiny, do case-controlled studies (which might well show that MMR has no positive effects on neurological development), or do I hold a news conference urging Mums to get their babes vaccinated or risk them all turn into vegetables?
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I think that your claim is flawed. You can’t base this on a small study. You also need to look at those who haven’t had the Jab to see if they have developed at the same rate.

My son wasn’t given the jab and although he doesn’t talk very well that is down to the ear infection he got from contracting the measles virus. That he doesn’t walk very well is because of his painful swollen testes from contacting mumps.
Hopefully his sister (who I also won’t be giving the vaccination to) will develop normally and talk and walk at the normal age but we do have some (un-MMR) related concerns. Number one son's rubella was passed to his mum while pregnant so his sister has unfortunately developed deafness, eye, heart, liver and skin problems and has mental retardation.

So before you start peddling your MMR rubbish you should check your facts out. Son and daughter would I’m sure have been walking and talking without the vaccine were it not for the minor unrelated problems listed.
 
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Lothian said:
I think that your claim is flawed. You can’t base this on a small study. You also need to look at those who haven’t had the Jab to see if they have developed at the same rate.
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So before you start peddling your MMR rubbish you should check your facts out. Son and daughter would I’m sure have been walking and talking without the vaccine were it not for the minor unrelated problems listed.
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Sense of humour bypass, methinks?

Rolfe.
 
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Lothian said:
I think that your claim is flawed. You can’t base this on a small study. You also need to look at those who haven’t had the Jab to see if they have developed at the same rate.

My son wasn’t given the jab and although he doesn’t talk very well that is down to the ear infection he got from contracting the measles virus. That he doesn’t walk very well is because of his painful swollen testes from contacting mumps.
Hopefully his sister (who I also won’t be giving the vaccination to) will develop normally and talk and walk at the normal age but we do have some (un-MMR) related concerns. Number one son's rubella was passed to his mum while pregnant so his sister has unfortunately developed deafness, eye, heart, liver and skin problems and has mental retardation.

So before you start peddling your MMR rubbish you should check your facts out. Son and daughter would I’m sure have been walking and talking without the vaccine were it not for the minor unrelated problems listed.
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Anecdotal, therefore irrelevant. Yurkoism is not acceptable as evidence (unless it is an anecdote of mine or my supporters glorying in the wonders of MMR)
 
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Deetee said:
Anecdotal, therefore irrelevant. Yurkoism is not acceptable as evidence (unless it is an anecdote of mine or my supporters glorying in the wonders of MMR)
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I can understand your reluctance to accept facts.

It is natural to look for someone to blame when your child starts repeating “daddy” endlessly at the top of their voice (turning what was cute first time into a real headache).

You also want to blame someone else when your child suddenly is able to walk, disappear from sight until you find them drinking the bleach from the cupboard under the kitchen sink. It is perfectly natural when this happens to think that it can't be someone in your jeans to blame but instead you blame the MMR jab.

However the link with the MMR is purely coincidental. We have proved this by giving the MMR Jab to those born without legs and tongues. That they can’t walk and talk proves the jab is ineffective.
 
Hang 0n - I haven't claimed MMR causes developmental mobility/linguistic progression in every case - some obviously have a genetic susceptibility or other factors operating here.

Another thing- have noticed that many children have developmentally progressed when their mothers have had mercury amalgam fillings - obvious causal congenital effect here, and even if ethyl mercury content is minimal in other vaccines, I feel sure this has helped contribute to the phenomenon.
 
Deetee said:
Another thing- have noticed that many children have developmentally progressed when their mothers have had mercury amalgam fillings - obvious causal congenital effect here, and even if ethyl mercury content is minimal in other vaccines, I feel sure this has helped contribute to the phenomenon.
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You are again getting confused but are on the right lines. I understand most children have (at some point) their temperature taken with mercury thermometers. The close proximity of the mercury (without any entering the body) creates a homeopathic healing which aligns the child’s chi allowing the child to walk. You will note that the shaking of the thermometer meets homeopathic criteria and thus activates the solution.
 
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