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Minuteman Child Killer Wins Execution

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Arizona is known for its tough stance against illegal immigrants, but this week a jury here sent a strong message of rebuke to anti-immigrant vigilante groups as well, sentencing the leader of a border watch group to death for her role in the 2009 home-invasion murders of a 9-year-old Hispanic-American girl and her father.

Latinos in Arizona had decried politicians' lack of attention to the brutal slayings, contrasting it with the more intense reaction to the murder of a white rancher in Cochise County last March, allegedly at the hands of an illegal border-crosser.

The death sentence handed down Tuesday in Tucson is against Shawna Forde, a resident of Washington State who headed the Minutemen American Defense group. She was convicted Feb. 14 of first-degree murder for orchestrating the killings of Brisenia and Raul Junior Flores of Arivaca, Ariz., a small community just north of the Mexican border.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...-death-sentence-a-rebuke-to-border-vigilantes
 
Sometimes, when people place no value on other humans lifes - even a childs - it's interesting how outraged people can become when it comes to the murder's losing theirs when sentenced.

Julia
 
Ziggurat said:
Yeah, you did. But I was totally thinking the same thing.

The sad fact of reality is that killing people frequently solves problems. That's why people keep doing it so much.
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In this case the problem is that someone already dead. I'm not sure that is a problem you can effectively solve through killing unless someone has invented a death powered time machine.
 
wasapi said:
Sometimes, when people place no value on other humans lifes - even a childs - it's interesting how outraged people can become when it comes to the murder's losing theirs when sentenced.

Julia
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We can be appalled at the actions of the convicted person and still try to stop the death penalty. They are not mutally exclusive
 
geni said:
In this case the problem is that someone already dead. I'm not sure that is a problem you can effectively solve through killing unless someone has invented a death powered time machine.
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Be patient, I'm still working out the bugs.
 
From the article, this caught my eye:
Ms. Thomas and fellow jurors were told during the trial that Ms. Forde and accomplices gained entry to the Flores home with the expectation of finding drugs there, which could be sold to finance Minutemen American Defense's border-control operations.
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Shades of Iran/Contra and CIA financing.
 
I, for one, wonder why this isn't being considered terrorism. The idea was to illegally raise money to conduct an armed campaign.
 
Cleon said:
I, for one, wonder why this isn't being considered terrorism. The idea was to illegally raise money to conduct an armed campaign.
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Well, terrorism is usually territory for the feds. Even if she did violate those statutes I don't know if it would have been wise for the feds demand a piece. Surely two counts of first degree murder defeats whatever the feds might have been able to throw at her. If she violated those statutes, I am sure she could be still be charged, but I don't see the point seeing as how the great State of Arizona is going to put her down like the rabid dog she is. It would be a waste of money.
 
wasapi said:
Sometimes, when people place no value on other humans lifes - even a childs - it's interesting how outraged people can become when it comes to the murder's losing theirs when sentenced.

Julia
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Simple: I don't think people have a right to decide to kill someone e.g. as a punishment or out of revenge.

The murderer here and the system seeking the murderer's execution both disagree with me. Internally, they are just having some minor difference over the petty details.
 
Rasmus said:
Internally, they are just having some minor difference over the petty details.
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Yeah, the fact that one murdered two people including a 9 year old girl while the other is getting rid of the heinous bitch who did that are just petty details. :rolleyes:
 
Rasmus said:
Simple: I don't think people have a right to decide to kill someone e.g. as a punishment or out of revenge.
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That's an entirely reasonable position. I don't share it, but I understand it and respect it.

But this:

The murderer here and the system seeking the murderer's execution both disagree with me. Internally, they are just having some minor difference over the petty details.
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Sorry, but that's just complete and unadulterated bovine feces. The difference between murdering an innocent stranger and executing a convicted killer are not minor, and the details are not petty. The suggestion that there aren't any fundamental differences between them is monstrous. It is a willful moral blindness.
 
Is this a "strong message of rebuke"? I guess Arizone doesn't apply capital punishment that frequently, but you'd have to wonder what it's for if not for cases like this. Seems like par for the course to me.

wasapi said:
Sometimes, when people place no value on other humans lifes - even a childs - it's interesting how outraged people can become when it comes to the murder's losing theirs when sentenced.

Julia
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People who believe firmly in the value of human life will not suspend their belief in the face of people who don't. It's simply moral consistency.
 
Peephole said:
Killing more people always solves problems.
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She won't murder another child. Rectums like her might think some before doing the same, now. As close to a win as makes no difference. Just hope she's terrified when it happens.
 
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