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Million dollar help~

No_Know

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If you are a skeptic~ and are/can be in Frederick Maryland some week day/week evening and you have pain, I would do my Hands-Over you would tell me if there was no change or if things felt worse.

I've worked with back pain, hip pain (after a surgery for the hips), arthritis of the knee, arthritis of the hand, arthritis in the back, migraine, menstral cramps, lupus, herniated discs, severe asthma and headaches.

Sometimes it can take a few seconds to notice. Sometimes several minutes (five~) I can only mark success by the recipiant's comments.

If you are a skeptic and would like to prove I'm a fraud or full of hot air at least to yourself bring your tensions/pain/inflexibilities. Let's meet and see how it goes. If you find enough truth in my claim of pain reduction (get to refile in a year~) please at least consider doing an affidavit or two so that I can send some in (one per person) and have a record myself incase I need it perhaps for skeptics I might meet later.

Thank you for your time~.

Also, here any sceptcisms I might face could help to designing sound tests, please post if it come to you to do so relevantly.
 
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No Know,

Are you making a claim for the Million Dollar Challenge?
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Not yet, it sounds like.

But it also sounds like he might be trying to get people who can help support his abilities if it comes to the MDC. Which in the abstract is a good idea; we call that "running experiments" where I come from.
 
I actually made a claim...Ernie Moore Jr...moving pain as Kramer put it.

I didn't get the affidavits together in time August 19 2006.
 
OK.
I was only going to say that if you have not made a claim yet, then it was inappropriate and premature to post within the Million Dollar Challenge threads. I see that the mods have already taken care of this by moving the thread. The mods are on top of things!
 
Where's the other guy who claimed this also recently on here? Someone having a two for one woo sale? :)

Or a woo for one!! (sorry)
 
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No_Know said:
Also, here any sceptcisms I might face could help to designing sound tests, please post if it come to you to do so relevantly.
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No Know, welcome and good luck.

Relieving pain is a difficult ability to test. First, it can be very subjective. Second, there are some ethical problems with bringing people possibly in need of real medical attention to a Reiki/TT-type person. Pain that is not serious will go away on its own. Pain that is serious needs medical attention.

However, one test that has been designed relies on your ability to sense the presence of another person's body near yours or for a volunteer to sense your body.

Basically, you sit behind a screen that has two cut-outs for your hands. The tester randomly holds his/her hand over either of your hands and you state which you believe it to be. Random chance is 50/50, so I imagine two trials of 9 correct out of 10 would be enough to win a million dollars.
 
Another with a similar claim, I would hopefully see that and read.

Taking people from a certified medical authority I would hope not. I would think that these people had tried everything they could or knew to within the accepted medical community and while still under supervision perhaps see me, with the understanding I do not guarantee any results and am looking to them for feedback.

If the people had not been through as much as possible-ish before seeing me; there might be the excuse of Oh I was getting better anyway. If a person took some pain relief medicine I would normally not do anything with that person as it could be me, it could be the medicine--I initially clarified with the person if it was something that would clear-up soon/how long would it take to take-affect~... While in at least one case it could be just me, with the medicine as a factor there seems a lack of soundness for me to think it solidly was me.~

While some might claim people have an energy, I put my hand over it and it might feel not as bad...I get a sensation over inanimate objects as well as trees...I presume it to relate to tension as opposed to actual people energy, even bioenergy/Life energy.

I thought energy might be a medium. Used on a variety of levels, in a variety of ways. Energy of a star, through a light socket~, or a person, while perhaps read differently has a least common denominator of some sort that makes energy energy not really significantly type-sensitive--molecule the smallest you can have of a thing and it still be that thing; but it's energy or whatever other catch-all word/label/name with which one might come-up.

But perhaps I can look into some recognition along the lines of the testing you mentioned as that seems to be the snazzy accepted this'll-pove-it thing to do.

Thank you all so far for your mentions...woo woo woo woo.

No_Know
 
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The clip was very helpful. I like the six people test, basically.

No forum observer in London though it seemed. If still personally interested, perhaps a friend of sorts to get familiar with the noticable physical in case there is a difference that way. Basically, if you had a pain-type-of-thing I would address it from where we are. I attempted this recently and the person told me of general area, and what it was got mentioned-arthritis in the back.

If we talked by pm and I could get where and what if you know, also a plus might be what type of pain. The idea is I address it but only tell you after I do. If you felt better or worse when we next talk lets match-up our days and times. I'd have told you when I did Hands-Over and you try and recall if you noticed a change around then, that day or the next. Good enough? :-)

Merely a thought. Give me a let-let-me-know.

Again to all thanks...the clip and similar claim link were good. Please note that in that other claim person relies on touch. I prefer no contact. While I offer this United States of America to London attempt, I would more rely on an in-the-same-room attempt- one to two feet away might be acceptable. Again thank you all.


No_Know
 
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Loss Leader said:
Basically, you sit behind a screen that has two cut-outs for your hands. The tester randomly holds his/her hand over either of your hands and you state which you believe it to be. Random chance is 50/50, so I imagine two trials of 9 correct out of 10 would be enough to win a million dollars.
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Wouldn't they be able to tell there's a hand there from the heat and difference in air currents? I'd have thought it would be better to test if it is the healer's hand or a control's hand. There might still be some slight cues, like ones person's hand being warmer, but I wouldn't have thought they would be big enough.
 
Cuddles said:
Wouldn't they be able to tell there's a hand there from the heat and difference in air currents? I'd have thought it would be better to test if it is the healer's hand or a control's hand. There might still be some slight cues, like ones person's hand being warmer, but I wouldn't have thought they would be big enough.
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Oh, there are plenty of ways to do it. I was just commenting that a test of actual healing ability is very problematic for practical and ethical reasons. Thus, a test of his ability to sense or broadcast "energy" would be easier. The details of the design can be worked out with your very valid concerns being addressed.
 
Possible Test for Pain Reduction/Flexibility Increase

Would knee replacement people do? Hands-Over might less tensen, which equates to reduction in pain and or or increased flexibility. As there is a physical test of endurance to determine the angle of bend for someone with a knee replacement. Would it do to establish by the authority what is the maximum flexibility at a given time, allow me ten minutes Hands-Overing, (not touching the person's knee or anywhere~ deliberately) and retesting the person's flexibility? If there was a change it would be noticable. And the authority could state if it was unusual or doesn't happen that flexibility increases that quickly. How would it help for the patient to add that it feels better at the knee? (less pain)

Thank you.

No_Know
 
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No_Know said:
Would knee replacement people do? Hands-Over might less tensen, which equates to reduction in pain and or or increased flexibility. As there is a physical test of endurance to determine the angle of bend for someone with a knee replacement. Would it do to establish by the authority what is the maximum flexibility at a given time, allow me ten minutes Hands-Overing, (not touching the person's knee or anywhere~ deliberately) and retesting the person's flexibility? If there was a change it would be noticable. And the authority could state if it was unusual or doesn't happen that flexibility increases that quickly. How would it help for the patient to add that it feels better at the knee? (less pain)

Thank you.

No_Know
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Here is the problem....attention, relaxation and time will lead to a reduction in pain and increased flexibility. None of those things (in combination or separate) are paranormal. Which means that regardless of whether or not you can demonstrate your claim as described, it is not a paranormal claim.

In order to be paranormal, you would have to demonstrate a change that is out of the range of what could happen. No level of change in pain or change in flexibility is out of that range, though. Which means that you would have to demonstrate a larger proportion of healed patients than what could be seen from the above mechanisms. Unfortunately, the range of effect that could be seen from the above mechanisms ranges from zero to one hundred percent, depending upon the circumstances. So I see no way to make your current proposal work as a demonstration of paranormal abilities.

I think that the only way to demonstrate extraordinary healing abilities is to choose an outcome that is rarely or never affected by attention, relaxation or time - i.e. it has no subjective component - and demonstrate a change in a few people. Can you think of something that you can do that would fulfill those criteria?

Linda
 
Loss Leader said:
No Know, welcome and good luck.

Relieving pain is a difficult ability to test. First, it can be very subjective. Second, there are some ethical problems with bringing people possibly in need of real medical attention to a Reiki/TT-type person. Pain that is not serious will go away on its own. Pain that is serious needs medical attention.
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One way I can think of to test such a thing without the ethical considerations is to work with fibromyalgia sufferers. Reasonably predictable pain, no danger of further harm, easy to double-blind.
 
luchog said:
One way I can think of to test such a thing without the ethical considerations is to work with fibromyalgia sufferers. Reasonably predictable pain, no danger of further harm, easy to double-blind.
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The problem is that temporarily relieving pain in someone with fibromyalgia is not a paranormal task...even if it was accomplished in every case presented in this setting.

Linda
 
Hello fls,

You say not paranormal yet if the relief continuously happens in cases where the episode is recorded as having great lengths of duration but is ended early even temporarily whay do you say this is not para-Normal?

And with the relaxation thing. If a Knee Replacement person jus got tested for a maximum of 83 degrees flexion by a professional and ten minutes later after non touch Hands-Over comfortablly~ increases to something like 91 degrees. How is that explainable or at least not other than Normal?

No_Know
 
No_Know said:
Hello fls,

You say not paranormal yet if the relief continuously happens in cases where the episode is recorded as having great lengths of duration but is ended early even temporarily whay do you say this is not para-Normal?
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Yes, it is not paranormal. Pain is subjective and is not necessarily related to pathophysiology. It is possible to modify the subjective experience through suggestion, (counterintuitively) especially in chronic pain situations.

And with the relaxation thing. If a Knee Replacement person jus got tested for a maximum of 83 degrees flexion by a professional and ten minutes later after non touch Hands-Over comfortablly~ increases to something like 91 degrees. How is that explainable or at least not other than Normal?

No_Know
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Flexibility depends upon the subjective experience of pain and tension in the involved muscles, plus effort. Relief of pain, relaxation and the idea that it will be "easier" can accomplish an increase in flexibility such as you describe.

Linda
 
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