Micheal Jackson: Children in the bedroom

Tmy

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Tmy
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Did anyone catch the Mike Jackson interview on 60 minutes last week. Jacko continued with his belief that its ok to sleep with kids in the same bed or in the same bedroom. This really upset people. Morely Safer kept asking the same question about how he coudl think its ok for kids to sleep in the same bed wh someone WHO IS NOT A RELATIVE.

I go to thinking. What is really so wrong wh Jackos stance. First off why does it matter if its a relative or not? Is that line draw so people can still condem Jacko, yet be ok with their kids sleeping in the bed sometimes. As far as the whole pedohile/abuse thing, arent relatives more likely to sexually abuse? So it shoudlnt matter if its a relatives bed or not.

Is this another example of american sexual paranoia/hangups? What do other cultures think about kids sharing the bedroom.?
 
Hmm...

I'm interested to see what others have to say about your questions re: whether this 'children in the bed' thing is just an American hangup or not. I have a feeling that it isn't, but the simple fact (or so it seems to me) is that when people double up in a bed it's because (1) They want to be intimate or (2) There aren't enough beds to go around and nobody wants to sleep on the floor.

I really doubt Jacko had problem #2.


Tmy said:
As far as the whole pedohile/abuse thing, arent relatives more likely to sexually abuse? So it shoudlnt matter if its a relatives bed or not.
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I think you make an error here, and I'll try to point out by example why. Did you know that children raised by a single mother are 12 times more likely to be abused than children raised by a single father? Can you imagine why that is?

It's because mom's boyfriends are more likely to abuse than dad's girlfriends. Children are more likely in general to be abused by a relative - but only because relatives are the only ones who can 'get away with it' because they have access to the kids. When non-relatives get access to the kids, likelihoods change.

Can you see how this reflects on whether the fact you state above is relevant or not?

MattJ
 
I regularly bathe with and sleep in the same bed as my girlfriends 7 month old son. Right or wrong?

Would it be different if he were my own flesh and blood?


You know, it scares the fertilizer out of me how all of this is blown out of proportion. In this country men don't dare go for jobs in day care centres and the like because of the danger of being accused of pedophilia. Kids are being denied TLC from paranoid, yet loving men in their networks. Kids need strong male roll modells more than ever. Pedophilia is a terrible thing, but not nearly as prevelent as many would like to believe. (No sources, sorry... )


Nothing to do with Michael Jackson particularly... let the courts decide that one...
 
TomStockholm said:
I regularly bathe with and sleep in the same bed as my girlfriends 7 month old son. Right or wrong?
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If you are asking me that question, I would say that you sleep with the kid because of reason #1. Since you're the boyfriend of his mother, I don't see a problem.

MattJ
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with sleeping in the same bed as a minor, even if you are not related. After all, it's what you do when you're awake that gets you in trouble! :)

I think people make such an issue out of it because it's Michael Jackson, and he has the double punch of 1. having a past molestation accusation and 2. being really creepy looking. If I were a parent, I probably wouldn't let my child sleep in the same bed as someone who has a past child molestation accusation (certainly not if they were convicted!), if only to err on the side of caution.

That said, I am not a parent, so I know that I cannot fully appreciate a parent's desire to protect their child. Maybe I will when they're mine, but for now, I don't see it being an inherent immoral deed.
 
I really think Mike is innocent.

he was accused before, but that was it. No proof. As for the whole "buy off" thing, since when is the victim the be all end all when it come to prosectution. Couldnt the DA go after him still?

It also bothers me to see this DA acting so cocky all the time. I think he has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Jackson. 80 sheriffs for a sexual abuse search warrant?? What did they expect to find?

Jackson may be weird and socially improper, (and had been for 20 years +) but that doesnt make him a pedophile.
 
Diana Ross' err M.Jackson's innocents in not the question , the question is that freak or not is it correct for a 45 year old man to sleep in the same bed as a non-relitive minor.

Unless this is the middle ages where people commonly slept 3 and more to a bed ( Bed? infested straw pile ) The answer is no

The man's lifestyle and past problems would raise the eyebrow of any human who's IQ resides north of the idiot line so as far as a judgment call by the boy's parent's........


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Well the bible tells us that any instrument that claims to predict the future must be evil. BAN THE ALMANAC!!!!

Hmmm I wonder why the anti-almanac church crowd is not as popular as the anti-gay church crowd.
 
TillEulenspiegel: is it correct for a 45 year old man to sleep in the same bed as a non-relitive minor...The answer is no
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Why is the answer no? Why is it inherently wrong for an adult and minor, who (I assume) are on friendly terms, to share a bed?
 
Perhaps I'm too cynical, but I believe the whole thing is, to a large degree, about money.

What kind of parent would allow his kid to sleep in Michael Jackson's bedroom in the first place? Even if he IS a pedophile, he isn't a kidnapper. It's not like he FORCED anybody to let their children join him.

I think some of the parents must hope their child would be molested by Jackson, as a quick-and-easy way to riches. I can see the settlement negotiations now...

JACKSON'S LAWYERS: "$14 million to shut your mouth?"
PARENTS: "No! We're going to court! That man stole our son's childhood!"
JACKSON'S LAWYERS: "$15 million?"
PARENTS: "He's got a brother, you know...."
 
Tmy said:
Did anyone catch the Mike Jackson interview on 60 minutes last week. Jacko continued with his belief that its ok to sleep with kids in the same bed or in the same bedroom. This really upset people. Morely Safer kept asking the same question about how he coudl think its ok for kids to sleep in the same bed wh someone WHO IS NOT A RELATIVE.

I go to thinking. What is really so wrong wh Jackos stance. First off why does it matter if its a relative or not? Is that line draw so people can still condem Jacko, yet be ok with their kids sleeping in the bed sometimes. As far as the whole pedohile/abuse thing, arent relatives more likely to sexually abuse? So it shoudlnt matter if its a relatives bed or not.

Is this another example of american sexual paranoia/hangups? What do other cultures think about kids sharing the bedroom.?
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It's a question of social mores...aka morality.

I go to thinking. What is really so wrong wh Jackos stance.
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If you have to ask, then you are very likely to never "get it". Just look at that old thread about incest and you will see rationalizations galore, rationalizations that sound very much like your defense of Mr. Jackson's bedtime habits.

Truth is, morality is indeed subjective and as such is subject to different interpretations by different cultures. However, try as you might you will not find a civilization, (on this planet that is), that would constider Mr. Jackson "normal".

-z
 
Sure the guys a weirdo. But we dont throw people in jail just because they are weird.
 
Only someone without kids could even ask these questions, or a really really bad parent.

Do you want to know why? The main reason is: if you ever sleep with my kid and claim it's "innocent", I will cut your head off and mail it to the next sick f-ck who tries it.

Is that not a very good reason? Maybe you'll "understand" better with a tire iron lodged in your skull. That will explain rather well why you're not supposed to sleep with kids under any circumstance.

If they still don't "get it", he wants to discuss why he did it, then I'll listen to his rationale. But first I'll cut his tongue out of his head Iraqi-style, and probably go to jail for doing it. But then we can go to the hospital, and I'll sit and listen at his bedside why he thought it was OK.


Hypothetically, of course. I don't have children. Really.
 
Having said all that, I think Michael is getting a raw deal. He's probably innocent, though he just screwed himself by lying about "police brutality".
 
So here's the deal Michael Jackson. If you get off (uh, I mean if you are acquitted), how about you exercise some common sense and stop sleeping with kids.
OK, OK, we understand your point that it's never been sexual. Yes, we realize it's because you love kids and when you look into their eyes you see the face of God.

But, has letting kids sleep in your bed been worth all the legal problems you've encountered.
Sure, maybe it's not fair that you are being falsely accused of something you claim you didn't do, but pull your head out of your ass and stop acting like such a dummy.

You claim this is all about money.
You have lots of money.
You are letting kids sleep in your bed.
Two families have made accusations against you in the last ten years.

STOP LETTING KIDS SLEEP IN YOUR BED.
 
I think a big problem is that many parents are now obsessed with their own kids to a point where they can justify any dopey behavior because they're just watching out for their kids.


How do you he's lying about police brutality. There seems to be more proof of brutality than sexual abuse.
 
I also don't think it's a priori wrong for and adult and unrelated child to share a bed.

Afterall, it's a relatively recent in history, and in wealthier societies, where people get much privacy in their sleeping quarters or in the commission of other bodily functions (sex, waste elimination). But it's also relatively recent in history that sexual involvement between adults and children is widely recognized or frowned upon, I believe.

That having been said, you have to look at the individual case. Michael Jackson, from what is publicly known, is clearly nuts (pardon the technical jargon). His emotional development either stopped at age 12 or subsequently regressed. It is inconceivable that the parents of children he attaches to aren't aware of this, and they are incredibly irresponsible in leaving their children in his care. If I had children, I would trust them to some adults, even if sleeping arrangements necessitated a shared bed, but I wouldn't trust Michael Jackson. He's a child in an adult body -- not a good combination.

In summary:

Wrong for unrelated adults and children to share a bed? Not necessarily.

Wrong for parents to trust their children to Michael Jackson? Definitely.
 
I don't care what has been previously posted

Sleeping with a kid that ain't yours and ain't having nightmares or otherwise a hard time about sleeping is freaking screwed.

Anyone gonna deny that?
 
TomStockholm said:
I regularly bathe with and sleep in the same bed as my girlfriends 7 month old son. Right or wrong?

Would it be different if he were my own flesh and blood?
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OK, but what if the boy was 10 years old? And what if it was just you and him alone in your giant mansion estate.
And what if you were a creepy, possibly mentally unstable, once accused pedophile?

Now it doesn't seem so normal.

Your situation is vastly different than the Michael Jackson situation.
 
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