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Michael Shermer on Coast to Coast tonight

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George Noory presents the "Skeptics Cage:" Two go in, one comes out. Skeptic Michael Shermer will be debating one scientist each hour on various aspects of new scientific thought. The line-up: Dr. Gary Schwartz, Russell Targ and Dean Radin.

Wow.

Only problem is, I'm not sure of the time. Maybe 12 PM CT?
 
If Shermer is half as good as he was last time, he's going to wipe the floor with all of these guys. I can't wait.
 
I only listened to the first two hours. I got too sleepy to listen longer. The first hour was okay there was a bit of back and forth and it got a little heated but it wasn't really a no holds barred debate like I was expecting.

The second hour the guy spent 90 percent of the time rolling off all the times he had guessed where something was correctly and all Shermer could do is say that sort of anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything.

He also kept asking why they don't find something important like Jimmy Hoffa, or Osama bin Ladin or Natalee Holoway the girl missing in Aruba. The guy kept dodging any direct questions, and hedged by saying they probably wouldn't be able find Natalee because in the belly of a shark is not a place they can detect. The second hour was pretty lame, the guy was really irritating.
 
I heard all but the last half hour. Much as I admire Shermer, I always walk away from these things thinking “Why, oh why didn’t you point such and such out?”

In this case, one or another guest was explaining how the quantum action-at-a-distance effect could explain psychic phenomena. Shermer pointed out that QM only affects the subatomic. That didn’t appease the guest. What he should have pointed out was that no information can pass between the two particles under question.

I get soooo frustrated with these things.
 
If they do these things from home via the phone, usually the guests are hooked up to the internet and looking stuff up as they go, isn't that right? It'd be great if people could IM suggestions along somehow. Still, it'd be hard to think that fast and I know if it was me, I'd be blathering "particles wha huh something?"
 
Ryan O'Dine said:
I heard all but the last half hour. Much as I admire Shermer, I always walk away from these things thinking “Why, oh why didn’t you point such and such out?”

In this case, one or another guest was explaining how the quantum action-at-a-distance effect could explain psychic phenomena. Shermer pointed out that QM only affects the subatomic. That didn’t appease the guest. What he should have pointed out was that no information can pass between the two particles under question.

I get soooo frustrated with these things.
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How would a subatomic particle know what the building it is part of looks like from the air? Or what it was even part of at all?

From what I understand of the theory the particles also don't effect just any particle but only it's opposite. What is the chances you might come into contact with the single other particle on the planet that is opposite the one you are looking for? Or even if it's opposite would even be on the planet at all?
 
I am wondering about some of the claims. That a kidnapped general was 'found' by the second hour psychic. That members of the SLA were picked out cold from a mug book and the address of their house given to police. Has anyone else heard these claims before? They sounded phenomanal and of course also stunk to high heaven. Does anyone know a source for the story behind these claims?
 
All the research I was able to manage on the first claim shows that the police did turn to psychics... the result: the police raided the home of a peaceful family watching TV. The final finding of the general had nothing to do with what the psychics did.

Didn't research the other two claims.
 
valis said:
I am wondering about some of the claims. That a kidnapped general was 'found' by the second hour psychic. That members of the SLA were picked out cold from a mug book and the address of their house given to police. Has anyone else heard these claims before? They sounded phenomanal and of course also stunk to high heaven. Does anyone know a source for the story behind these claims?
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These are hard things to dispute because it's mostly first hand knowledge and this person in particular supposedly did most of his work for the government and thus it's secret and can't be investigated.

He is like most psychics. They spend all their time making guesses. They make so many guesses that some of them are bound to be right. When they are right it appears to be impressive but all it really is, is blind chance kicking in.

It's also possible the guy might have found out somehow who the SLA members were before or found out where the guy was from somebody and then offered their help, thus their very small and selective success record.
 
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