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Michael Moore offers terrible reasons to vote for Obama

Vote for Obama if you want the war in Iraq to end soon.
Vote for McCain if you don't.
Vote for Obama if you want a change in the ruling party.
Vote for McCain if you don't.

TAM:)
 
Interesting. As I recall, in his book Downsize This, Moore spent a good amount of time talking about how wonderful Hillary was, and how madly in love with her he was.
 
T.A.M. said:
Vote for Obama if you want the war in Iraq to end soon.
Vote for McCain if you don't.
Vote for Obama if you want a change in the ruling party.
Vote for McCain if you don't.

TAM:)
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Do you really think Obama will actually make progress toward ending the war? I ask because he's somewhat ambiguous about it, which leads me to believe that he doesn't want to take a stand on it. For example, he wants to "redeploy" U.S. forces, but wants to deploy permanent bases in Iraq, which is one of the reasons why we are disliked overseas.
 
Richard Masters said:
Do you really think Obama will actually make progress toward ending the war? I ask because he's somewhat ambiguous about it, which leads me to believe that he doesn't want to take a stand on it. For example, he wants to "redeploy" U.S. forces, but wants to deploy permanent bases in Iraq, which is one of the reasons why we are disliked overseas.
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Um, redeployment of all combat forces in sixteen months is ambiguous?
 
T.A.M. said:
Vote for Obama if you want the war in Iraq to end soon.
Vote for McCain if you don't.
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Maybe. But I'll be if Obama is elected and serves eight years, there will still be US troops in Iraq at the end of his 2nd term.

T.A.M. said:
Vote for Obama if you want a change in the ruling party.
Vote for McCain if you don't.
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That's the best you could come up with? Change 'Obama' to Hitler' and that would be a valid reason to vote for Hitler.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Um, redeployment of all combat forces in sixteen months is ambiguous?
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From Obama's 2007 plan:

"A residual U.S. presence may remain in Iraq for force protection, training of Iraqi security forces, and pursuit of international terrorists."

I thought Barack Obama was against the war in Iraq. So why does he want to fight a war in Iraq? I thought that was Bush's excuse.
 
Richard Masters said:
Do you really think Obama will actually make progress toward ending the war? I ask because he's somewhat ambiguous about it, which leads me to believe that he doesn't want to take a stand on it. For example, he wants to "redeploy" U.S. forces, but wants to deploy permanent bases in Iraq, which is one of the reasons why we are disliked overseas.
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Well the DEMs are the only ones offering a withdrawl. I do not think anyone is naive enough to think that USA can get COMPLETELY out of Iraq. However, I think Hillary or Obama will reduce it to a peacekeeping force. I also think Obama will be the best of the candidates to renegotiate with the UN to help with the Peacekeeping force to be left there.

Bob Klase said:
Maybe. But I'll be if Obama is elected and serves eight years, there will still be US troops in Iraq at the end of his 2nd term.

That's the best you could come up with? Change 'Obama' to Hitler' and that would be a valid reason to vote for Hitler.
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Like I said, sure there will be some troops there, but I am betting if Obama gets elected, it will be an international force.

No, it isn't the best I could come up with...lol. The OP asked for better reasons then MM offered, so I offered two absolute reasons, two reasons that anyone could agree with.

There are other reasons, you can be sure.

TAM:)
 
From Obama's web site. Basically, his plan to "end the war in Iraq," (note - not win it) is to:

1) Bring the U.S. troops home;
2) Sweet-talk the Iraqis to just get along;
3) Somehow persuade Iran and Syria not to step into the power vacuum.

Good luck with 2) and 3) after doing 1). This is about as realistic a plan as planning to win the Powerball lottery by wishing real hard for your number to come up.
 
Richard Masters said:
Michael Moore offers fallacious reasons to vote for Obama.

"Vote for Obama because the current administration sucks."
"Vote for Obama because Hillary took cheap shots at him."

Anybody have any strong arguments for voting for Obama? Or any candidate for that matter? Surely you can do better than Michael Moore.
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It may well be the case that Moore offers fallacious reasons to vote for Obama -- it wouldn't surprise me in the least. The OP, however, fails to inform me one way or the other.

How is it -- on a skeptical forum no less -- that you're characterizing Moore's words without even bothering to quote him? (Except for the false quotes that is.) Instead you offer the opinion of a blogger who, guess what, also fails to quote Moore. This doesn't even rise to the level of flimsy.
 
BPSCG said:
From Obama's web site. Basically, his plan to "end the war in Iraq," (note - not win it) is to:

1) Bring the U.S. troops home;
2) Sweet-talk the Iraqis to just get along;
3) Somehow persuade Iran and Syria not to step into the power vacuum.

Good luck with 2) and 3) after doing 1). This is about as realistic a plan as planning to win the Powerball lottery by wishing real hard for your number to come up.
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Instead of going home, however, the troops will be headed elsewhere..probably Afghanistan.
 
Well the DEMs are the only ones offering a withdrawl.
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Oh, didn't the Dems offer that in the fall of 2007 when all the congressional elections took place. Didn't they say If they took over the Congress they would get us out of Iraq? Well, they won and we are still there in Iraq. You dolts are going to fall for it again. Don't you learn? We can't just leave and it's not going to happen and they know it. You are being played. Wait for it, wait..........someone will say it wasn't the Dems fault for not getting out.Yes it is their fault and it's their fault we went in there too. They voted for it. Don't give me this BS that Obama didn't vote for it. Of course he didn't, he couldn't, he wasn't a senator yet.
 
yah but with the king vito sitting in the Oval Office, Congress didn't have much they could do. get a Dem in there in 2009, and it will all change.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
yah but with the king vito sitting in the Oval Office, Congress didn't have much they could do. get a Dem in there in 2009, and it will all change.

TAM:)
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Whether or not that is a good thing is debatable.
Frankly, one reason I am on the fence is that I am not sure I want to give either party total control of the government.
And the last time the Dems had that...in 1992...it did not turn out so good for them.
 
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T.A.M. said:
yah but with the king vito sitting in the Oval Office, Congress didn't have much they could do. get a Dem in there in 2009, and it will all change.

TAM:)
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See. I told you to wait for it. That didn't take long at all. Whaaa it's not our fault.
 
Well when they want to bring the troops home, but the guy with the vito power decides to forbid the one thing you can use to get them home (for Congress, that is cutting funding), then what were they suppose to do?

Got the answer????

TAM:)
 
The Painter said:
Funding. They have the power to cut it off, but they don't have the balls.
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I agree, they should have had more fortitude in standing their ground. However, every time you turned around the media and the president were waving the "not supporting the troops with the funding they need will leave them in harms way unprotected" flag.

TAM:)
 
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