Michael Moore has advice for the Democratic Party

Is he still on the "Al Gore won in 2000" nonsense? He's more pathetic than I originally thought.
 
Abdul Alhazred said:
How to blow it by Michael Moore
The Guardian (UK)

Synopsis: He thinks the Democrats should act like everybody is just like Michael Moore. You know. Like they did in 2004.
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I'm of the opinion that the Michael Moore card is used exclusively by the right to make Democrats look bad. Or maybe it's just that I associate Moore with Bush's reelection, and Gore and Kerry's failures.

Either way, Obama should neither denounce nor acknowledge Moore.
 
Al Gore did win in 2000.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as anti-Gore as I am anti-Bush (maybe even more so in light of his global warming bull), but to say that Bush honestly won Florida you have to do all sorts of creative statistics about Buchanan being a super-star in just the precincts with the confusing ballots.

And of course the real reason why Bush didn't win in 2000, which you won't hear from the mainstream media - nobody won Florida. The Supremes decided the election, not the votes. If only Florida's electoral votes were invalidated due to voting irregularities, or split evenly based on popular vote, Gore would be president. If there was a full statewide recount or a full re-vote, Gore would be president.

But the two heads of the one ruling party in America like to alternate. That gives them time to relax and make some real money selling favors in the private sector...
 
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Alex Libman said:
... But the two heads of the one ruling party in America like to alternate. That gives them time to relax and make some real money selling favors in the private sector...
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This part is mere meaningless, silly, poseuring nonsense.
 
Alex Libman said:
Al Gore did win in 2000.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as anti-Gore as I am anti-Bush (maybe even more so in light of his global warming bull), but to say that Bush honestly won Florida you have to do all sorts of creative statistics about Buchanan being a super-star in just the precincts with the confusing ballots.
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What you mean to say is that Al Gore would have won if a bunch of his supporters hadn't been too incompetent to vote?
 
Richard Masters said:
I'm of the opinion that the Michael Moore card is used exclusively by the right to make Democrats look bad. Or maybe it's just that I associate Moore with Bush's reelection, and Gore and Kerry's failures.

Either way, Obama should neither denounce nor acknowledge Moore.
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Agreed.

When it comes to elections Moore just doesn't get politics. George Clooney on the other hand gets politics and he knows how best to help a candidate. Don't play into right-wing propaganda. They are very good at it.
 
Pardalis said:
Is Hizbollah still his distributor in the Middle East?
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:rolleyes:

After all, Goury - Moore still provides more facts than ... well ... the White House, for example. So for Hizbollah to rather distribute Moore than Bush's blabbering, could actually be considered as being more skeptical than ...I don't know... some Canadian peoples hipocriscy or so... :p
 
Trust me, this ain't Sweden. War Hero wins every time.
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Bill Clinton vs Bob Dole?

John Kerry vs George Bush?

Factual accuracy continues to elude Moore.
 
Alex Libman said:
If there was a full statewide recount or a full re-vote, Gore would be president.
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Not necessarily true according to CNN (and several other studies done after 2000).

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

The Florida high court had ordered a recount of all undervotes that had not been counted by hand to that point. If that recount had proceeded under the standard that most local election officials said they would have used, the study found that Bush would have emerged with 493 more votes than Gore.
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Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a 225-vote margin statewide.
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Alex Libman said:
Great, now it's the little old ladies' fault...
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It is. Well, ladies and men. My grandparents were two of those who were pretty sure voted for Buchanan but meant to vote for Gore.

Yes, it's their fault. Or the fault of the Democrat who designed the butterfly ballot.
 
It's not like there wasn't enough time till Inauguration Day to recount the whole state (in which case Gore wins) or even fix problems and re-vote (in which case Gore wins by an even bigger margin)... But that's all in the past now. Except for some naive people who believe in democracy - this should have been their final straw.
 
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Alex Libman said:
It's not like there wasn't enough time till Inauguration Day to recount the whole state (in which case Gore wins)
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Yes, it's too bad that Florida election law -- which was passed decades ago by both parties -- didn't have a better process in place. But asking for ad hoc procedures to have been implemented on the spot is just asking for democracy to be saved by arbitrary government. Democracy foiled itself. It's one of the problems with the system that democracies have to be managed by imperfect humans. It's also a problem from which all political systems suffer.
 
I'm not saying that Gore would have been a legitimate president either. A majority of 51% or even 99% shouldn't have more legitimacy in imposing their will on others than a minority of 49% or 1%.

There is a point up to which it is tolerable, though, and I wouldn't be ruining my life to fight just a minor tyranny. But this country has passed my threshold in the last decade. Thus my tax resistance and other civil disobedience.
 
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