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michael fake it moore

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it's not really surprising, but check this out :


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http://www.houseofdiabolique.com/archives/moore010504.html

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At the end of the film, there's a shot from behind Moore as Heston hobbles away from him. We hear Moore's voiceover as he yaps about a little girl named Kayla killed by gunshot.

And then, we cut to a shot in front of Moore, presumably looking at Heston, as Moore holds a photograph up of dead Kayla while yammering on about Heston's supposed culpability.. and yet.. this shot from the front must have been staged, because in the shot above we see Moore from behind and there is no camera in front of him that could have recorded this 2nd shot.

And there is no camera behind Moore here which could have recorded the first shot!

This means that Moore, after Heston disappeared, directed his cameraman to shoot him from the front so he could nobly step forward and thrust dead Kayla's picture into frame while shouting sanctimonious bulls**t.. at a Heston who wasn't even there anymore.

Watch the clip (56k, cable) and just look at that self-righteous twit. In fact for all we know Moore's entire holier-than-thou dead Kayla voiceover was added after-the-fact.




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I finally got around to watching "Bowling for Columbine". It had good points and embarassing points.

One point, perhaps the main point, was: "Why do Americans shoot each other at such a higher rate than Canadians - who have similar rates of gun ownership?"

It was a movie, with an agenda, edited to further that agenda. Of course the camera shots were edited. Nit picking about camera shots is silly.
 
I'm shocked to learn that hollywood would use multiple shots from multiple takes in one scene...;)
 
patnray said:
I'm shocked to learn that hollywood would use multiple shots from multiple takes in one scene...;)
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Did you know that in music videos, those pop stars aren't really singing- they're just moving their lips to a dubbed soundtrack? :jaw:
 
NTW, perhaps you will tell us what YOU learned about US gun-culture as portrayed by non-US people from watching Bowling For Columbine?

Oh, sorry. You haven't watched it at all. Riiiiight.
 
That part isn't that blatant, MM chopped up the interview and rearranged the questions with Heston.

That isn't the sad part, the visit to the K-Mart headrquarters, that is exploitation.
Still that's enetertainment.
 
Bowling for Columbine was a GREAT movie
my favorite scene was the one illustrating the history of guns in America the connection of the KKK to the NRA's origin was a huge eye opener! Also was amazed that a hollywood movie actually elluded to the fact that a lack of living wage was a contributive factor in a school shooting . I have to admit i didnt like the
scene with Charlton Heston. MM did seem to be baiting the old guy. I had a granpa that was to put it nicely ignorant like that ,, though he wouldnt have hurt a fly and didnt head the largest and most influential political lobby in the United States. In the bonus features on the DVD
MM says he had to hand the film to a friend outside Hestons gates cause they couldnt get out.

ps .this should be on another thread obviously but can anyone think of a movie that used the words "living wage" without someone spitting after saying it?
 
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Electron #1 said:
my favorite scene was the one illustrating the history of guns in America the connection of the KKK to the NRA's origin was a huge eye opener!
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There is no connection between the KKK and the NRA's origin.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
Did you know that in music videos, those pop stars aren't really singing- they're just moving their lips to a dubbed soundtrack? :jaw:
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What they do in music videos is not relevant to what they do in documentaries.
 
JAR said:
There is no connection between the KKK and the NRA's origin.
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Indeed it's quite the opposite; there is a connection between gun control and the Black Panther movement of the 60s. Whites freaked out when they saw blacks were arming themselves, so they started banning guns.

Originally posted by patnray
I'm shocked to learn that hollywood would use multiple shots from multiple takes in one scene...
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It wouldn't be a big deal, except he presents it as a documentary film, which makes him a fraud.
 
American said:
It wouldn't be a big deal, except he presents it as a documentary film, which makes him a fraud.
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Documentary = one camera? What utter crappulence.
 
Same year KKK is labeled a terroist group by FBI The NRA is born. Whats the first thing on NRA's agenda?... Banning black people from having the right to own firearms.
 
Not paying attention are we?

" Moore claims that the NRA was founded in 1871, "the same year the Klan became an illegal terrorist organization" while showing cartoon NRA members giving Klan members guns which they use to shoot blacks. In reality, the NRA was founded by Union soldiers who hated the Klan, which was primarily made up of Confederate traitors. "
 
Zep said:
Documentary = one camera? What utter crappulence.
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But the whole point of the criticism is that Moore wasn't using two cameras. He was obviously only using one camera. Which means the shot of him with the picture of the little girl from the front MUST have been shot later AFTER Heston had left. That means the shot was staged which means that that part of the film was NOT a documentary because it didn't happen that way.
 
Zep said:
Documentary = one camera? What utter crappulence.
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I think the main problem people have w/ Moore's film is that it's not a documentary, but is presented as one and even won an Oscar as one.
 
Electron #1 said:
Same year KKK is labeled a terroist group by FBI The NRA is born. Whats the first thing on NRA's agenda?... Banning black people from having the right to own firearms.
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In fact, banning black people from having the right to own firearms is exactly what many Jim Crow laws in the south attempted to do. That is why Charleton Heston was one of the only Hollywood actors to march with Martin Luther King Jr. against those laws back during the civil rights movement.
 
Thank you NTW! Because of your incredible powers of internet research and inductive logic, I will now invalidate anything Michael Moore has done or ever will do. I didn't realize the scumbag liberal leftie had 2 cameras, and even hid the second camera in all the shots.

Charlie (sarcasm with my morning coffee) Monoxide
 
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