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Mexico Election Too Close To Call

Luke T.

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I don't know if anyone else has been following the election in Mexico, but I have. And I have only because NPR has been covering it in depth for the last few week, and I'm a regular listener. :)

It has struck me that we don't seem to have any JREF forum members from Mexico. Do we?

Anyway, check out this story is you want to catch up quickly on what's happening south of the border.

A fiery leftist promising a war on poverty was running neck and neck with a Harvard-educated conservative in Mexico's presidential election on Sunday, raising fears a contested result could split the country.

Exit polls showed Felipe Calderon of the ruling National Action Party and Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the left-wing former mayor of Mexico City, so close it was impossible to declare a winner.

Both candidates holed themselves up in campaign headquarters awaiting official results later on Sunday but their supporters were already declaring victory and began loud street celebrations.
 
It's so obvious, it hardly bears stating. Since it's so close, and exit polls show the candidate on the left leading, the candidate on the right will steal the election and half the country will whine about Mexico's going to hell in a handbasket for the next four years. Make that eight.

Oh, and some Australian philosopher will champion conspiracy theories about rigged voting machines everywhere.

AS
 
It's so obvious, it hardly bears stating. Since it's so close, and exit polls show the candidate on the left leading, the candidate on the right will steal the election and half the country will whine about Mexico's going to hell in a handbasket for the next four years. Make that eight.

Oh, and some Australian philosopher will champion conspiracy theories about rigged voting machines everywhere.

AS

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I don't know if anyone else has been following the election in Mexico, but I have. And I have only because NPR has been covering it in depth for the last few week, and I'm a regular listener. :)
I've been following them closely too.
It has struck me that we don't seem to have any JREF forum members from Mexico. Do we?
Yes, we do. Empeake, for one.
Anyway, check out this story is you want to catch up quickly on what's happening south of the border.
Or I can look outside my window :)

If you want to see the real time count of the votes, you can check it at
PREP (among many other mirrors). It started spitting out the count at 8pm last night, I guess some people have had fun looking at the rising numbers last night.

In any case, it's starting to look like the PAN (conservatives) won again (Fox is from the PAN) If the results hold, he'll have quite a mandate of 36% of the vote... with 41% of eligible voters not showing up. The message seems to be: "PRI, (the former ruling party) you are dead. Dissolve and reform as something else. PAN, you f***ed up with Fox, but you get one more chance. But we are ready to go left."
 
Don’t they have to wait for all the ballots to come in from all the Mexicans living in the USA? After all there are 10 to 20 millions Mexicans living in the USA, depending on whose estimate you listen too.
 
Don’t they have to wait for all the ballots to come in from all the Mexicans living in the USA? After all there are 10 to 20 millions Mexicans living in the USA, depending on whose estimate you listen too.
Only about 50k of them registered to vote from abroad. This is the first time they were allowed to vote, and it seems most of them didn't give a damn.

ETA: Oh, and just so that the 'Merikans don't fell left out, we already have morons on TV screaming conspiracy, claiming "the impossibility of mathematical curves" and all other sorts of neat stuff.
 
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Just so long as their aren't any reports of exit polls saying who won...
 
Just so long as their aren't any reports of exit polls saying who won...
Well, of course the media did their exit polls. But none released them that I could see, because they too were too close to call. Some said they'd release them later so the audience could see how close they were. I don't think they have yet.
 
It's so obvious, it hardly bears stating. Since it's so close, and exit polls show the candidate on the left leading, the candidate on the right will steal the election and half the country will whine about Mexico's going to hell in a handbasket for the next four years. Make that eight.

Oh, and some Australian philosopher will champion conspiracy theories about rigged voting machines everywhere.

AS
And don't forget the mass exodus of "Blue State" Mexicans to Canada.
 
Donks is also from our southern neighbor...

Cool, a media that will not release exit polls during...or even after...the election. That raises one brow and then the other.
 
Donks is also from our southern neighbor...

Cool, a media that will not release exit polls during...or even after...the election. That raises one brow and then the other.
So the Mexican media is in on it you think?!?! :covereyes
 
How do you say "hanging chad" in Spanish?
No idea. We don't use punchy balloty thingies, we use ultra-modern paper ballots, the kind where you put a big X on the candidate of your choice with a crayon, and fold up the ballot.
 
Cool, a media that will not release exit polls during...or even after...the election. That raises one brow and then the other.
Actually, it doesn't. The reason for not releasing results from the exit polls while the election is in progrees is to avoid influencing those that haven't voted yet.

After the polls were closed, and in order to avoid situations that would resemble what happened in the USA in 2000, the media decided to wait until the official announcement from the Federal Electoral Institute. This announcement, that coincided with the media's own polls, was that the quick count results were too close to determine a winner.

As far as I could see, the two major TV networks have covered the election very professionally. Perhaps Donks will agree, or maybe he saw things that I didn't. IMO, the TV coverage has been much more objective and less speculative or biased that the American TV coverage of the 2000 and 2004 elections in the USA.

The current situation is this:

Three hours after the polls closed on Sunday, the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE, as they call it here) announced that the quick count results did not show a clear winner, declared that we would have to wait until Wednesday for the official results, and requested that the political parties, candidates, media, unions, etc., refrain from proclaiming any type of victory or results, since there were no facts to base them on.

Shortly after this announcement, and despite the request from the IFE, the PRD (leftist) candidate appeared on national TV and proclaimed that their exit polls showed that they had won the election by 500,000 votes.

Next came the PAN (conservative), and affirmed that the results from their own exit polls, plus the preliminary results from the IFE, showed he was the winner.

The main problem with these premature victory declarations, specially from the populist PRD candidate, is that he will use these exit poll results as "proof" of fraud in case he doesn't win. He already has made accusations of irregularities at the polls, and demands a ballot by ballot recount (the preliminary results are based on the summary documentation provided by each voting center). This strategy of declaring oneself the winner beforehand and then arguing there was fraud if the actual results say otherwise, has been used for decades in Mexico, and usually leads to local demostrantions and occasional skirmishes.

At this moment, with 98.45% of the 130,788 voting centers processed, the results favor the conservative PAN by 36.38% to 35.34%.

ETA: The Mexican stock market rose today 4.77% (the second greatest increase in the year), as the preliminary results showed the conservative candidate ahead.
 
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No idea. We don't use punchy balloty thingies, we use ultra-modern paper ballots, the kind where you put a big X on the candidate of your choice with a crayon, and fold up the ballot.

And then Vicente Fox counts them, alone, in an undisclosed location...

:)

I hear he's not too thrilled with Calderon as his party's choice.
 

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