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Meet The New Jihad

peptoabysmal

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Meet The New Jihad

Their goal now, say the militants interviewed, is broader than simply forcing the U.S. to leave. They want to transform Iraq into what Afghanistan was in the 1980s: a training ground for young jihadists who will form the next wave of recruits for al-Qaeda and like-minded groups. Nearly all the new jihadist groups claim to be receiving inspiration, if not commands, from Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi, the suspected al-Qaeda operative who the U.S. believes has masterminded the insurgency's embrace of terrorism. Al-Zarqawi's group kidnapped three Turkish workers last Saturday and threatened to behead them within 72 hours unless Turkish companies withdrew from Iraq. And now the conditions are ripening for the insurgents to turn their armed struggle into a political movement that aims to exploit the upheaval and turn parts of Iraq into Taliban-style fiefdoms. A potential leader is Sheik Mahdi Ahmed al-Sumaidai, a hard-line Salafi imam recently released from Abu Ghraib prison and now based in Baghdad's radical Ibn Taimiya Mosque. Mujahedin leaders and U.S. military and intelligence officers in Iraq say many jihadists are also rallying behind Harith al-Dhari, who leads the Association of Muslim Scholars, Iraq's most significant Sunni organization. Al-Dhari, who operates out of the Mother of all Battles Mosque, is said to have played a key role in mobilizing fighters during April's uprising in Fallujah; during a gathering of militants there on April 9, one of his lieutenants called on Muslims outside Iraq to join the fight. As a result, al-Dhari has built support among both Iraqi and foreign insurgents, who believe he may emerge as a figure akin to Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

Still think it's a good idea for the US to pull out of Iraq in a big hurry?
 
Pre-war: Saddam Hussein, who had no proven ties to Al-Qaeda, kept Iraq under firm control. There was no threat from him to the U.S. or the western world.

Post-war: Iraq is becoming a training ground for terrorists. Iraq has become a threat to the U.S. and the Western world.

Still think it was a good idea to invade Iraq?
 
shemp said:
Pre-war: Saddam Hussein, who had no proven ties to Al-Qaeda, kept Iraq under firm control. There was no threat from him to the U.S. or the western world.

Post-war: Iraq is becoming a training ground for terrorists. Iraq has become a threat to the U.S. and the Western world.

Still think it was a good idea to invade Iraq?

Bzzzt! Incorrect! Thanks for playing.

There is no doubt of the working relationship between Saddam and al-Queda prior to 9/11. The only doubt is how much (if any) involvement in 9/11 that Saddam had.

There are other words besides "invade" you could choose to use.
 
shemp said:
Pre-war: Saddam Hussein, who had no proven ties to Al-Qaeda, kept Iraq under firm control. There was no threat from him to the U.S. or the western world.

Post-war: Iraq is becoming a training ground for terrorists. Iraq has become a threat to the U.S. and the Western world.

Still think it was a good idea to invade Iraq?

It was a TERRIBLE idea to topple Saddam WITHOUT a workable plan to rebuild the country QUICKLY.

It was a TERRIBLE blunder to alienate so, so many countries and paint ourselves into a very small corner when what Bush SHOULD HAVE done is to appeal to every country in the Middle East to help us help the Iraqis... their 'brothers.'

Administrations that refuse to make sane adjustments to their thinking doom themselves to utter failure.

The average citizen in Iraq probably had a much better chance of surviving under Saddam's regime than they do in todays Iraq.

Unfortunately for the world, every terrorist will gladly EXPLOIT this Bush created chaos for their own purposes.
 
peptoabysmal said:
There is no doubt of the working relationship between Saddam and al-Queda prior to 9/11. The only doubt is how much (if any) involvement in 9/11 that Saddam had.
There is a great deal of doubt as to what you mean by "working relationship". Was Iraq a training ground for terrorists? I haven't seen any evidence of it. Were there a lot of Iraqis in Al-Qaeda? I haven't seen evidence of that either.

Are there more terrorists in Iraq today compared to before our... um... shall we say... "diplomatic mission"? I've seen lots of evidence for that.
 
peptoabysmal said:


Bzzzt! Incorrect! Thanks for playing.

There is no doubt of the working relationship between Saddam and al-Queda prior to 9/11. The only doubt is how much (if any) involvement in 9/11 that Saddam had.

There are other words besides "invade" you could choose to use.

About as much as the US relationship with Osama.
 
peptoabysmal said:


Bzzzt! Incorrect! Thanks for playing.

There is no doubt of the working relationship between Saddam and al-Queda prior to 9/11. The only doubt is how much (if any) involvement in 9/11 that Saddam had.

There are other words besides "invade" you could choose to use.

I suppose there are other words Shemp could have used, but I think "invade" was quite accurate.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to supply one of your own.
 

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