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Maybe the Rapture already happened

Beleth

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Beleth
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Jesus said that the end times would come before everyone who was alive at that time ("this generation") was dead, right?

So say he was telling the truth.

JC died in 33 AD or thereabouts.
The last person to hear him died in, oh let's be very liberal, 200 AD.
The end times started before then, but let's just call it 200 AD for fun.
What comes after the end times?
1000 years of suffering and then goodness, right?

So 200 AD - 1200 AD was the suffering bit.
And we're now in Year 803 of goodness.

There's got to be some group that believes this.
 
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the world has already ended, don't they, or some variation of the JWs?
 
Man, I don't believe I got so much of that wrong.

According to http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/rapture.htm :

After The Rapture, God will begin executing judgments against unbelievers, during a period called the Tribulation. At the end of the Tribulation all nations will attack Israel, and Jesus Christ will physically return, leading the armies of heaven. At the Battle of Armeggedon they will destroy everyone who is not a believer. Then Satan will be bound, and Jesus will set up the Millennial Kingdom, headquartered in Jerusalem. Jesus and the saints will rule over the nations of the Earth for a thousand years. During this period there will be people born who are not loyal to Christ. However, it usually will not be obvious. Therefore, at the end of the thousand-year period, God will release Satan and let him tempt those who inhabit the Earth. A large group will take up arms against the Lord and be defeated. Then, Christ will judge all who have ever lived, giving rewards to some and punishment to others. Those who were "destroyed" will be cast into the Lake of Fire, i.e., Hell. After that, God will destroy heaven and Earth because they have been polluted by sin. He will create a new heaven and a new Earth, put those who were saved on the new Earth, and rule it forever.
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So:
1) Before all of JC's generation died, everyone who believed in Him were yanked up to Heaven and set aside.
2) Then everyone attacks Israel, and at Armageddon all the non-Christians die.
3) THEN 1000 years of goodness under JC.
4) Then Satan gets released, ANOTHER big battle happens, and God destroys Heaven and Earth (but, ironically, not Hell).
5) God makes a new Heaven and Earth, and puts all those people set aside in step 1 back on the new Earth.

It's 2000 years after this was all written down. Plenty of time for this to have already happened, considering that Step 1 happened those 2000 years ago. I'd say that, taking the Bible as literal truth, that we are either in step 4 or step 5... and it's far too late to wonder if we are going to be yanked up in the Rapture of step 1.

If we're in step 4 (pre-Big Battle #2), then the God vs. Satan re-match will get everyone's attention and be pretty darn hard to miss.

If we're in step 5, cool! No more worrying.
 
There's the story of Ahasuerus, the Wandering Jew, and as long as he's alive (he struck Christ and is being punished by not being allowed to die), there's one of "that generation" left. So Jesus can't return yet.

Novel: The Death of Ahasuerus by Par Lagerkvist.
 
During this period there will be people born who are not loyal to Christ
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The world will be ruled by a perfect, sinless immortal for 1,000 years... and people will still be born that are not loyal? And not just a handful of malcontents, but enough to make a civil war?

What is this Jesus guy doing?

Wouldn't so much disloyalty be an indicator that Jesus was a illegitmate government?

We don't have that kind of disloyalty to our American government (not enough for a civil war), and we have Bush and Clinton as leaders! Just how bad a leader is this Jesus guy going to be?!?
 
The Rapture already came - AND YOU'RE STILL HERE

This reminds me of an episode in SF. I was getting on the cable car at, um, the one directly down from Union Square? Err, is it Powell?

Anyhow, there is this guy with a bullhorn shouting out "The end is at hand, are you ready, the rapture is coming, etc, etc" at the Cable Car riders as they stood in the line.

Well, I got on, and as I headed up the hill on a full car, I shouted "And the Rapture Already came, and YOU'RE STILL HERE" at him.

Somewhat to my surprise, the entire cablecar full of middle-aged males broke out laughing.

The guy started to shout bible verses at me. The middle-aged men started to shout bible verses back. They had a good time of it.

Turns out I was in a cable car with an entire carload of Methodist Ministers.

OOkaaaaaayy....... What else can you say? One of them asked me "do you believe", to which I replied "Guinness, in moderation". That's when I found out they were ministers, he explained that and was somewhat surprised that a flat-out unbeliever knew what the "rapture" was.
 
Kullvero...

Kullervo said:
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the world has already ended, don't they, or some variation of the JWs?
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Like anybody believes what the Jehovah's Witnesses (many of whom dont believe in Jesus being the son of GOD anyway) say anyway.
 
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billiefan2000 said:


Like anybody believes what the Jehovah's Witnesses (many of whom dont believe in Jesus being the son of GOD anyway) say anyway.
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If there were a JREF contest for unintentional humor, you would have won it right there.
 
Jesus came and looked over the earth, turned to satan and said,
"you're right, they all suck."
So much for the rapture.
 
Re: Kullvero...

billiefan2000 said:


Like anybody believes what the Jehovah's Witnesses (many of whom dont believe in Jesus being the son of GOD anyway) say anyway.
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Those annoying people broke my doorbell the last time they visited. They somehow jammed the button and fried the ding-donger.

That is clearly a sign of the end of days.
 
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