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Massage therapy, vaccines, curses...

herbaliser

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Hi, I'm a first-time poster on this board.

Thanksgiving takes place this weekend in Canada and some members of my extended family will be in town. There's never a dull moment when my relatives come to stay. Last time my brother got in an argument with my aunt about some of her various beliefs. My aunt made claim after crazy claim until my brother got on his knees and begged her to curse him to death (as she claimed could take place). It sounds tense, but it was a pretty funny moment (at least the pictures I took were funny).

My aunt quit her position as a paralegal at age 50. Her and my uncle refinanced their home so she could take a 2 year massage therapy course. She has told me of massage therapy practitioners who have massaged old, deep scars off of subject's bodies in a matter of minutes. She appears to believe in some forms of psi and the ability to curse someone. She also believes that chiropractors and massage therapists can take care of pretty much any illness.

She blames the medical establishment for the death of her 85 year old mother, despite the fact that her death was expected and very natural for her age. There was no screw-up in her treatment or care, my aunt just chooses to believe that the doctors did not do enough. In death, her mother left no money for her children as this was all donated to "100 Huntley Street" - a religious charity. Her mother did not even leave anything to cover funeral costs. I imagine the financial burden on my aunt and uncle is quite nasty, what with two mortgages, hitting the reset button on her career and paying off some educational expenses.

My cousin refuses to have her sons vaccinated since this has been 'proven' to be 'very dangerous'. My cousin even went so far as to accuse my brother (has 2 daughters, ages 2 and 4) and my sister (1 daughter, age 3) of playing roulette with their children's lives by getting them vaccinated. She seems to share all of her mother's beliefs and has added some of her own (reiki, feng shui).

My uncle stays out of all this stuff with the exception of his farmer's almanac. Is there any validity to this almanac at all? I know nothing about it, but as it was described to me it sounded hokey.

Is there any validity to any of my aunt or cousin's beliefs?

In addition to hanging out with the 'rellies' this weekend, I just had a visit from a friend of mine who fasts. He's fasted for 2 weeks before and has planned a month-long fast starting shortly. His only intake is a concoction made of water, a whole lemon, a tablespoon of cayenne and 2 tablespoons of syrup. I spoke with him at length about this to find out what it's supposed to achieve. He wasn't quite sure, stating that it was a very subjective thing. In fact, the reason he's doing a month this time instead of two weeks is that last time he didn't get the results he wanted. He never really stated what result he wanted. I asked if the result was measurable - i.e.: you had 8 pounds of 'toxins' in your body before and post-fast you now have 2. He said it didn't work like that. Of course, he wasn't really sure how it worked. He used to work at a psychic hotline, so I knew that we weren't going to solve anything by talking about it at length.

What benefits have been reported from fasting?

Thanks for the rant/post. This is a fantastic forum for skeptical discussion and I hope to be here for a good long time.
 
My aunt quit her position as a paralegal at age 50. Her and my uncle refinanced their home so she could take a 2 year massage therapy course. She has told me of massage therapy practitioners who have massaged old, deep scars off of subject's bodies in a matter of minutes. She appears to believe in some forms of psi and the ability to curse someone. She also believes that chiropractors and massage therapists can take care of pretty much any illness.

She blames the medical establishment for the death of her 85 year old mother, despite the fact that her death was expected and very natural for her age. There was no screw-up in her treatment or care, my aunt just chooses to believe that the doctors did not do enough. In death, her mother left no money for her children as this was all donated to "100 Huntley Street" - a religious charity. Her mother did not even leave anything to cover funeral costs. I imagine the financial burden on my aunt and uncle is quite nasty, what with two mortgages, hitting the reset button on her career and paying off some educational expenses.

My cousin refuses to have her sons vaccinated since this has been 'proven' to be 'very dangerous'. My cousin even went so far as to accuse my brother (has 2 daughters, ages 2 and 4) and my sister (1 daughter, age 3) of playing roulette with their children's lives by getting them vaccinated. She seems to share all of her mother's beliefs and has added some of her own (reiki, feng shui).

Massage therapy: never heard of it but I can tell you it sounds like 100% woo-woo rubbish. Id bet all the money I have in the world on it.

What was wrong with her 85 year old mother? Its not uncommon for people to try and blame someone for the death of a loved one. Sometimes people die because of trivial reasons. People dont like to think that major events have trivial causes so they lash out.

Your cousins ideas on vaccinations are not only wrong but very dangerous. Her sons are at increased risk of serious illness and permanent disability or even death through easily preventable diseases. Should this ever happen, your cousin may be legally responsible and jailarity may ensue.

Ho-hum....... Im off to get my Hep-B jab now, cheers!

:D
 
The biggest problem with debunking woo woos is that there are so many different types.

hmm
try: http://www.quackwatch.org/

for info on various health related quacks, thats if you haven't found the site already.

:)

regards
PJ
 
Should this ever happen, your cousin may be legally responsible and jailarity may ensue.

Um, cite?

Whether or not I believe that parents should be able to be sued for their actions or inactions in relation to their child's healthcare, I'm not aware of any lawsuits which have established legal liability in respect of non-vaccination, and I'd imagine that establishing such liability would be extremely difficult as we don't routinely test everyone who's been vaccinated to establish whether or not they have produced antibodies in response to the vaccine. I've only ever had my immune response measured in relation to two vaccines - Hepatitis B and rubella (to which I did NOT have immunity 5 years after being vaccinated) - and my children's response to their myriad of vaccinations has never been tested (although my eldest daughter should have her rubella immunity checked before she leaves high school and my son should have his Hep B immunity checked next time he has a routine blood test).

Edited to add that I just remembered that my immunity to tuberculosis was also tested a few years after I had BCG vaccine.
 
herbaliser said:
Hi, I'm a first-time poster on this board.


What benefits have been reported from fasting?

Thanks for the rant/post. This is a fantastic forum for skeptical discussion and I hope to be here for a good long time.

Fasting is reported in the "Textbook of Natural Medicine" 1999 edition as a way to "clense the body of toxins." There is a whole section dedicated to this topic. Back in the 1800's it was believed by Naturopaths that the gut absorbed toxins over time from food spoiling inside you which caused most diseases. Since that time, we know the intestines actually sheds itself quite often, so nothing can "stick" to the guts. Furthermore, direct tests on fasting have been done, and the results are as expected: No health benefits whatsoever. In fact, fasting can be quite dangerous. But don't take my word for it- I read the results on the National Institute of Healths Institute of Alternative and Complementary Medicine web page.
So, to simply answer your question, there are no benefits and it is likely to be harmful.
 
Jon said:
Massage therapy: never heard of it but I can tell you it sounds like 100% woo-woo rubbish. Id bet all the money I have in the world on it.
You've never heard of massages? That's odd. I get one every couple of weeks. Quite pleasant and relaxing. Never eliminated any scars, though.

~~ Paul
 
Massage therapy can be useful in helping ease muscle spasms. I have trouble understanding why it should be thought to be effective in scar removal.
 
Jon_in_london said:


What was wrong with her 85 year old mother? Its not uncommon for people to try and blame someone for the death of a loved one. Sometimes people die because of trivial reasons. People dont like to think that major events have trivial causes so they lash out.

I just got some details I had missed regarding her mother. Apparently, she started getting terrible indigestion which she asked her chiropractor to treat. Her indigestion turned out to be ovarian cancer (seems the chiro missed this). She was too far gone to treat. My aunt doesn't blame the chiropractor for missing signs of cancer, she blames the hospital for not saving her mother once the cancer was identified.
 
herbaliser said:


I just got some details I had missed regarding her mother. Apparently, she started getting terrible indigestion which she asked her chiropractor to treat. Her indigestion turned out to be ovarian cancer (seems the chiro missed this). She was too far gone to treat. My aunt doesn't blame the chiropractor for missing signs of cancer, she blames the hospital for not saving her mother once the cancer was identified.

Um, does she realise that it isn't at all unusual for ovarian cancer to be detected too late for effective treatment ?
 
Herbalizer-

Hello and welcome. Your post made me smile. I reckon anything that gets a lawyer off the lists is tolerable, no matter how daft. I admit to possible bias on this.
 
reprise said:


Um, does she realise that it isn't at all unusual for ovarian cancer to be detected too late for effective treatment ?

If she does, it doesn't seem to stop her tirades against hospitals. She's a hard character to deal with.

I work as a computer consultant and every time I see her (thankfully only two to three times a year), she tells me she worries about me working at a computer all day. How it's not good for my back, etc.. It's maddening trying to talk some sense into her.

My posture is fine, I haven't had a sick day from work in the 5 years since I started my career and I don't suffer any back pain. "It's all a matter of time" I'm assured. Some people simply cannot be reasoned with.
 

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