"Mann Hockey Stick" demolished, IPCC in disarray

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Right on cue on the 27th January, this was released:

Canadian Research Showing Flaws in Major Climate Study Profiled in European Science Magazine

Two Canadian researchers, Stephen McIntyre of Toronto and University of Guelph Economics Professor Ross McKitrick, are profiled in the cover story of today’s edition of Natural Science and Technology (Natuurwetenschap & Techniek, or NWT), a prominent European science magazine (see www.natutech.nl). The story focuses on their research forthcoming in the well-known science journals Geophysical Research Letters (pre-publication version at www.climate2003.com/pdfs/2004GL012750.pdf) and Environment and Energy (see www.multiscience.co.uk). NWT reports that the Dutch National Science Foundation (NOW) and the Dutch National Meteorological Agency (KNMI) will convene a special conference within the next month to assess the implications of the findings.

Their research reports on fundamental flaws in the “hockey stick graph” published by Michael Mann of the University of Virginia and his coauthors Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes. The hockey stick was used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to claim that the 1990s were the warmest decade of the millennium.

In a statement, McIntyre and McKitrick said: “We identified what appears to be a serious computer programming error in the original calculations. We showed that the principal components analysis (PCA) as used by Mann et al. effectively mines a data set for hockey stick patterns. Even from meaningless random data (red noise), it nearly always produces a hockey stick.” The figure below shows 3 simulations from random data using the MBH method and the published MBH98 temperature reconstruction from proxies. The difficulty in identifying the MBH98 hockey stick illustrates the effect.

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Figure 1. Three Simulations from Random Data using MBH98 Method and the MBH98 Reconstruction

In the NWT article, Professor Hans von Storch, an IPCC Contributing Author and internationally-renowned expert in climate statistics at the Center for Coastal Research in Geesthacht, Germany, is quoted as saying that this criticism by McIntyre and McKitrick is “entirely valid.” Dr Mia Hubert, a statistician at the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven in Belgium, agreed, saying: “Tree rings with a hockey stick shape dominate the PCA with this method.”

Professor Richard Muller of the University of California at Berkeley examined the research last fall, and in an essay published in the MIT Technology Review http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/10/wo_muller101504.asp , said the findings “hit me like a bombshell, and I suspect it is having the same effect on many others. ..Not only does the program not do conventional PCA, but it handles data normalization in a way that can only be described as mistaken…This improper normalization procedure tends to emphasize any data that do have the hockey stick shape, and to suppress all data that do not…The net result: the “principal component” will have a hockey stick shape even if most of the data do not. “

McIntyre and McKitrick added: “We also found that the original study erred in only applying one statistical test for significance and that the benchmarks for this one test were incorrectly calculated. If a second standard test had been also applied and/or if the benchmarks had been correctly calculated, it would have shown that the results lack statistical significance. “

“We found that the distinctive hockey stick shape of MBH98 was simply an imprint of a strong 20th century growth spurt from a group of bristlecone pine trees in the western USA. The original authors of this data stated that this growth was not due to temperature and MBH co-author Hughes has said elsewhere that the high 20th century bristlecone pine growth is a ‘mystery’. But their unusual shape dominates the final results both in the original MBH98 study and invarious new attempts by Mann et al. to salvage MBH98-type results. We also found that Mann et al. had made unreported ad hoc editing of one series which affected 15th century results.”

“When we repeated MBH98 calculations (1) using the archived version of the Gaspé tree ring series rather than the version with ad hoc editing by Mann et al.; (2) using exactly the same number of series as MBH98, but with standard centered PC calculations rather than the data mining method of MBH98, we obtained high early 15th century results (similar to those reported in an earlier article using somewhat different methodology), as shown in the Figure below. But ee emphasize that neither reconstruction has any statistical significance.”

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Figure 2. Northern Hemisphere Temperature Reconstructions using MBH98-type methodology and MBH98 indicator rosters: bold - using centered PC calculations and archived Gaspé data; grey - MBH98.

IPCC Lead Author Dr. Rob van Dorland, a climate scientist at KNMI, is quoted saying that McIntyre and McKitrick’s research will “seriously damage the image of the IPCC.” He added: “It is strange that the climate reconstruction of Mann has passed both peer review rounds of the IPCC without anyone ever really having checked it. I think this issue will be on the agenda of the next IPCC meeting in Peking this May.”

For information, including background materials and contact details, please consult the websites www.climate2003.com and http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/trc.html.

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Let the denying begin!
 
This is the level of argument I would expect from a creationist. The IPCC is not in disarray. The debate over one part of a large and complex field of science does not invalidate all the rest of the work.
 
a_unique_person said:
This is the level of argument I would expect from a creationist. The IPCC is not in disarray. The debate over one part of a large and complex field of science does not invalidate all the rest of the work.

Thanks for that informed feedback. I assume you read all of the cited articles and came to that fascinating conclusion?
 
So, let me get this straight.....

The whole global warming hysteria is based on a faulty computer model, and some inaccurate data.

Obviously, significantly more science on the subject needs to be done.
 
Badger said:
So, let me get this straight.....

The whole global warming hysteria is based on a faulty computer model, and some inaccurate data.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=114#more-114

Discussion about the temperature evolution of the past millennium will no doubt continue in the coming years. The most fundamental problem – the sparseness of data – will not be fixed quickly, but eventually better reconstructions with smaller uncertainties will become available. However, this discussion needs to be conducted in a sober and unexcited manner; it does not help to overburden the “hockey stick” with symbolic meaning. In some media reports, the “hockey stick” has even been hyped as “a pillar of the Kyoto protocol” (which was agreed in 1997 and thus predates it) or as “proof that humans are warming the Earth”. This is a serious misunderstanding of the scientific meaning of these data.
 
Diamond said:
Let the denying begin!

Uh, ... Those bristle cone pine trees were paid to change there stories and lie by... um... THE OIL COMPANIES!
 
It's appropriate that AUP should mention creationism:

Why should we be concerned?

Let me digress now for a minute and consider just why we should be concerned about climate change. It is a problem that is well downstream; many of us will not be much affected ourselves but it is going to affect our children and our grandchildren. We are bound to ask therefore questions about the sort of relationship we should have to the earth that is our home and to the rest of creation with whom we share the earth. Let me suggest that a helpful picture of this relationship can be found in the early chapters of the Judaeo-Christian scriptures. Humans were placed in a garden to care for it. We are encouraged to see ourselves as gardeners of the earth.

Gardens suggest four things. They are there to provide food, water and resources for us, for human life and industry. They are also places of beauty and diversity - we cherish and spend time in our gardens and we visit special gardens - all part of our human enjoyment. We like to think that other living creatures also enjoy gardens too. The birds that join the dawn chorus at four in the morning obviously enjoy it very much. And then gardens are places where we can be creative: we landscape them and create new varieties of plants or other creatures for beauty and for benefit. Our science and technology can helps us to be better gardeners and to make the world a better place; although, just how technology should be applied is something we need to debate carefully. Finally, gardens are there for future generations. And that is something that those of us who have children and grandchildren, certainly appreciate. It is our children and our grandchildren who will experience the impacts of climate change. I remember in 1990 when the first IPCC report came out, the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher showed a lot of interest. I was invited to present it to her cabinet at the time. As I walked out of that meeting, one of the cabinet ministers asked me, "When's all this going to happen?" I replied that in 20 or 30 years we can expect to see some large effects. "Oh" he said, "that's OK, it'll see me out". But it won't see his children or grandchildren out.

Christians and other religious people believe that we've been put on the earth to look after it. Creation is not just important to us, we believe also it is important to God and that the rest of creation has an importance of its own: for these reasons we should be good gardeners. But in many ways we are not being good gardeners. Let me give you just two examples, other than the one of global pollution I've been talking about. We've already lost or seriously degraded some 10% of the garden's soil - a loss that continues largely unabated because of erosion and bad practice. Then, we are destroying forests, important forests. When I say "we" I mean "we" the human race of which we are part. We are party to the destruction, we allow it to happen, in fact it helps to make us richer. We really need to take our responsibility as ‘gardeners' more seriously
- Sir John Houghton, chairman IPCC, 2002

Taken from http://www.jri.org.uk/resource/climatechangeoverview.htm

Note the Mann Hockey Stick under the section "What is global warming?"

So the answer is, Badger, that this study has been used ceaselessly to promote the message that "Global Warming" is a real and present danger, unprecedented in the last 1000 years, that the warming begins suddenly in the middle of the 19th Century during the Industrial Revolution (and erasing the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period into an Orwellian memory hole), and therefore that the instrumental record since 1880 is the record of "greenhouse warming" by increasing amounts of fossil fuel generated carbon dioxide. The Mann Hockey Stick was foundational to the claims that "1998 was the warmest year of the millenium" or "the 1990s were the warmest decade"

There's usually a "tipping point" of denial that happens in AGW threads, and I think we're really close to one. Notice that no-one will bother with the "is it peer reviewed in a quality scientific journal?" line any more. I wonder why? :D

Unfortunately I've got to leave this thread as I'm travelling to the US for a few days, but let those denials keep flowing!
 
Re: Re: "Mann Hockey Stick" demolished, IPCC in disarray

DaChew said:
Uh, ... Those bristle cone pine trees were paid to change there stories and lie by... um... THE OIL COMPANIES!
:dl:
 
It's funny though, the BBC website has been very good about following, in detail, the findings from global warming conferences and research. I don't see any mention of this on their site. You'd think something as big as this would draw their interest.
 
Diamond said:
It's appropriate that AUP should mention creationism:


- Sir John Houghton, chairman IPCC, 2002

Taken from http://www.jri.org.uk/resource/climatechangeoverview.htm

Sir John Houghton is obviously a devout Christian, but if you're trying to suggest that he is a creationist then I think you're very far from the mark:

"Creationism is an incredible pain in the neck, neither honest nor useful, and the people who advocate it have no idea how much damage they are doing to the credibility of belief," says physicist Houghton, who has written articles on the value of prayer.

http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser/beyond/perspectives/warming.shtml
 
Badger said:
So, let me get this straight.....

The whole global warming hysteria is based on a faulty computer model, and some inaccurate data.

Obviously, significantly more science on the subject needs to be done.

No, not at all. Once again, a creationist type argument. The AGW science stands alone without the work of Mann. Even if this invalidates the 'hockey stick' the rest of the science, which is a vast body of work still stands.
 
DaChew said:
It's funny though, the BBC website has been very good about following, in detail, the findings from global warming conferences and research. I don't see any mention of this on their site. You'd think something as big as this would draw their interest.
Diamond already explained in another thread about the bias in the BBC's agenda, and how it only presents the side of the story it chooses to promote. Because clearly it is very much in the interests of the BBC to promote climate hysteria based on evidence even Diamond (who tells us nothing about his credentials in the subject) can see is a crock, and conceal the well-evidenced truth.

Er, run that past me again?

(AUP, I think Badger just missed off the irony meter....)

Rolfe.
 
An extremely thorough debunking of this paper is available here:

Peer Review: A Necessary But Not Sufficient Condition II

For the record, "Energy and Environment" is not a scientific journal (and has published an article by an astrologer in the past). The articles in "Geophysical Research Letters" are very weakly reviewed and they have unfortunately published some real howlers as well. In fact, this very same paper was rejected by "Nature" as a rebuttle to MBH98 (originally pubished in "Nature" itself). M&M just kept mailing their abstract around until they found someone willing to publish it.

To get an idea of where Diamond gets his nuttiness from, check this out:
Next, we discuss the first of three so-called "bombshell" papers that supposedly "knock the stuffing out of" the findings of the IPCC. Patrick Michaels and associates billed his own paper (McKitrick and Michaels, 2004) (co-authored by Ross McKitrick ), this way:
After four years of one of the most rigorous peer reviews ever, Canadian Ross McKitrick and another of us (Michaels) published a paper searching for “economic” signals in the temperature record. …The research showed that somewhere around one-half of the warming in the U.N. surface record was explained by economic factors, which can be changes in land use, quality of instrumentation, or upkeep of records.
It strikes us as odd, to say the least, that, after one of the "most rigorous peer reviews ever", nobody involved (neither editor, nor reviewers, nor authors) seems to have caught the egregious basic error that the authors mistakenly used degrees rather than the required radians in calculating the cosine functions used to spatially weight their estimates**. This mistake rendered every calculation in the paper incorrect, and the conclusions invalid -- to our knowledge, however, the paper has not yet been retracted. Remarkably, there were still other independent and equally fundamental errors in the paper that would have rendered it entirely invalid anyway. To the journals credit, they published a criticism of the paper by Benestad (2004) to this effect. It may come as no surprise that McKitrick and Michaels (2004) was published in Climate Research and was handled by none other than Chris de Frietas.

Yes, McKitrick is such a complete, utter, tool that he thinks he's invalidated the entire IPCC because he
doesn't know the difference between degrees and radians.

Are we getting a better picture of what it takes to be a "global warming skeptic"?
 
EvilYeti said:
An extremely thorough debunking of this paper is available here:

Peer Review: A Necessary But Not Sufficient Condition II

For the record, "Energy and Environment" is not a scientific journal (and has published an article by an astrologer in the past). The articles in "Geophysical Research Letters" are very weakly reviewed and they have unfortunately published some real howlers as well. In fact, this very same paper was rejected by "Nature" as a rebuttle to MBH98 (originally pubished in "Nature" itself). M&M just kept mailing their abstract around until they found someone willing to publish it.

To get an idea of where Diamond gets his nuttiness from, check this out:

It strikes us as odd, to say the least, that, after one of the "most rigorous peer reviews ever", nobody involved (neither editor, nor reviewers, nor authors) seems to have caught the egregious basic error that the authors mistakenly used degrees rather than the required radians in calculating the cosine functions used to spatially weight their estimates**. This mistake rendered every calculation in the paper incorrect, and the conclusions invalid -- to our knowledge, however, the paper has not yet been retracted. Remarkably, there were still other independent and equally fundamental errors in the paper that would have rendered it entirely invalid anyway. To the journals credit, they published a criticism of the paper by Benestad (2004) to this effect. It may come as no surprise that McKitrick and Michaels (2004) was published in Climate Research and was handled by none other than Chris de Frietas.


Yes, McKitrick is such a complete, utter, tool that he thinks he's invalidated the entire IPCC because he
doesn't know the difference between degrees and radians.

Are we getting a better picture of what it takes to be a "global warming skeptic"?
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But, the site you linked to is Mann's site. So it's Mann debunking M&M's debunking of Mann. Not exactly an unbiased source.
 
DaChew said:
But, the site you linked to is Mann's site. So it's Mann debunking M&M's debunking of Mann. Not exactly an unbiased source.

Furthermore, and more to the point, nothing in M&M's paper has been debunked. I'm not knowledgable enough in the field to know what's real and what's not but I know a series of ad homs when I read them.

From a totally novice POV, it appears that Mann's paper detailing the hockey stick has been debunked and that debunking is not only 'sticking' but causing some serious discussion/whispering/backpeddling/ad homming by the GW 'believers. I'm not really sure what that means in terms of the whole Kyoto thing but I suspect it doesn't mean much given that the whole Kyoto thing was dead/useless well before the debunking of the Mann article.

So, A_U_P suggests that Mann is only one piece of the puzzle and that the GW theory is strong without it. What other peices of the puzzle are there that do not rely on or reference the same dataset/process that Mann used?

Edit to fix quote error.
 
This debate is always lead by one or two people. It seems that these people have a sincere problem with science and especially when science goes against a certain political agenda. It the same thing with astrology and homeopathy that, for some bloody reason, I don’t know which, goes against the political agenda of lefties in Europe. If you write an article criticizing for instance homeopathy, there will very shortly be a green or a left party member running to express how nice and also very cheap homeopathy is!

Man, I do hate when science is politicalized.

Although there seem to be a consensus on this subject among climate researchers. And I personally think that when oil run out in about 30 years, the climate will be adjusted anyway.
 
Anyone with access to BBC Radio 4 should maybe switch on. The World Tonight just announced that they would be discussing "global warming sceptics" after the main news. That means some time between now and 10.45 pm GMT (about 35 minutes from now).

Rolfe.
 

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